&gt; case seems pretty clear, especially since the soldiers triedEven if the &#x27;soldiers&#x27; didn&#x27;t, it wouldn&#x27;t have mattered as the governing apparatus usually goes out of its way to protect their own militants.Ex A:<pre><code> Detainees executed, unarmed civilians killed in their sleep, a child, handcuffed and shot, all covered up by the chain of command – this is the testimony of more than 30 eyewitnesses, former members of UK Special Forces ... Panorama – Special Forces: I Saw War Crimes ... reported a series of cold-blooded murders by UK military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan over a period of ten years, followed by years of official cover-up.
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<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.counterfire.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;cold-blooded-murder-and-years-of-cover-up-uk-veterans-speak-out&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.counterfire.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;cold-blooded-murder-and-...</a>

I think the only defense here would be if the soldiers came up with some reasonable explanation of why they thought the vehicles were hostile. Its kind of hard to imagine, especially with shooting the follow up vehicles, but motive seems like the only unclear part where there is any potential for a defense.One part that is really confusing, is if they knowingly intentionally targeted the ambulance because they thought they could get away with it if they destroyed the evidence, why leave witnesses alive? If you assume the motive was an intentional massacare with point blank executions, it doesn&#x27;t entirely make logical sense to leave witnesses.

This is very thorough. Thanks for the direct link.The case seems pretty clear, especially since the soldiers tried to hide all evidence.

The last time I came across Forensic Architecture was their report on the Beirut Port Explosion, someone posted it here on HN.Mind blowing analysis.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;investigation&#x2F;beirut-port-explosion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;investigation&#x2F;beirut-port-...</a>

Forensic Architecture is a truly remarkable work. If anybody is unfamiliar with Eyal Weizman, I would highly recommend checking out more of his work. Including the 2014 series Rebel Architecture and some of his talks. He recently did a presentation called &quot;Conditions of Life Calculated&quot; at the David Graeber Memorial Lecture at CIIS that I think gives a lot of insight into why the work being done at Forensic Architecture is so remarkable. He also talks about his work with David Wengrow and the Nebelivka Hypothesis based on novel archeology of ancient Ukrainian cities<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bfD1y7WZLpM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bfD1y7WZLpM</a>alternative FE: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yewtu.be&#x2F;watch?v=bfD1y7WZLpM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yewtu.be&#x2F;watch?v=bfD1y7WZLpM</a>

Full report: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2026&#x2F;02&#x2F;Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads...</a>

&gt; The Israeli soldiers remained on the sandbank while firing continuously at the aid workers for four minutes.Damn…

And WW2 only has more journalist deaths because some number of the genocide casualties had been journalists before the Holocaust.Being a journalist typically provides you some protection in times of war, but for journalists who are part of a group suffering genocide, it&#x27;s a liability.

There&#x27;s plenty of live footage of IDF forces targeting international aid workers and journalists.&quot;fun&quot; fact: more journalists died in the Gaza than in every conflict since ww2 combined.

This is most certainly not something that is covered on TV news. Seems on topic to me.

The forensic reconstruction to this level of detail is novel and interesting, both for the methods deployed and for the likelihood that the half-life of unsolved war crimes appears to be decreasing.

&gt; Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they&#x27;re evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they&#x27;d cover it on TV news, it&#x27;s probably off-topic.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>

I also would appreciate knowing if the mods see this. I&#x27;m worried that flagging is possibly automated and vulnerable to campaigning.

(@dang doesn&#x27;t work. I only saw this randomly.)Your question is answered here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47141443">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47141443</a>, but the short version is that your assumption that we see everything is incorrect.

@dang any explanation for this being flagged?Am I still allowed to ask why the moderators don&#x27;t want people to read and discuss this particular technology story?

You left out the parts about how and when we turn flags off, about how a certain amount of political overlap is both necessary and inevitable, but that it also can&#x27;t be too much. All of those are important factors, and I&#x27;ve posted many explanations of them:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment&amp;query=political%20overlap%20by:dang" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;so...</a><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang&amp;dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang...</a>We can&#x27;t, however, turn off flags on threads we don&#x27;t know about. You guys (I don&#x27;t mean you personally!) unintentionally assume that we&#x27;re omniscient. We aren&#x27;t, so we need people to tell us about cases like this.In this case, no one told us; I ran across it randomly. Randomness is only good for partial results. For reliable message delivery, someone needs to email hn@ycombinator.com, and please remember that it takes time to work through that (er) rather active inbox.

&gt; there is a significant base of &quot;anti-political&quot;, otherwise &quot;known-good&quot; HN participants, that flag topics like this preemptively pretty much regardless of perspectiveI&#x27;m always sceptical of this given it doesn&#x27;t happen to similar posts about Iran.

I&#x27;ll give you the &quot;party line&quot; (i.e. best-effort understanding of HN-moderators perspective) for why articles like this are frequently flagged:1) The entire discussion is a rehashing of the exact same points every time the topic is posted, and not very insightful2) The participation rate for experts (or even authors) in the discussed field&#x2F;topic is very low (compared to programming topics)3) The discussion rarely stays civil and requires excessive moderationAn observation (have no verbatim quote, but believe from dang) is that there is a significant base of &quot;anti-political&quot;, otherwise &quot;known-good&quot; HN participants, that flag topics like this preemptively pretty much regardless of perspective and exact topic (presumably for above reasons). You can certainly still blame the flagging on bots or Zionists, but it&#x27;s almost certainly not only those.

Travel to Middle East, some parts of Africa and China, ask what people think. Most say have similar opinion that west is not &quot;morally&quot; superior.

I think when people say &quot;West&quot;, they automatically think US and UK - and given their war crimes in recent history, you do get this sentiment, yes. I suspect, however, that this view has exacerbated and now includes other &quot;western&quot; countries that are silent&#x2F;complicit in current horrific war crimes.

&gt; * No one accepts high western &quot;morality&quot; anymoreIs that an accurate trend on an individual basis?

The russian bots are here too downvoting? Great.

Not Israel, but Russia - good old KGB honeytrap.

I wouldn’t point to Epstein, but there is a very powerful lobby that will protect the image of any Israeli government. A lot of Evangelicals also consider Israel important in bringing about the apocalypse, without which they can’t access eternal life. I wish I was kidding on that last one, but there are people actively trying to bring down civilisation so they can go to heaven.

&gt;Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein??? Most? His network was certainly extensive but &quot;most politicians&quot; seems like a significantly overextended extrapolation.

Things are in terrible state in the world.Gaza exposed it even more:* No one accepts high western &quot;morality&quot; anymore* Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein who worked for Israel, with high probability, including Trump* ICE is just the beginning, they&#x27;re trained by IDF, send more people and 1940 is not too far away from us

Forensic Architecture are great. I remember their work being very hot in the international art scene around ~2018 (when they were nominated for the prestigious Turner Prize, among others - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tate.org.uk&#x2F;whats-on&#x2F;tate-britain&#x2F;turner-prize-2018&#x2F;forensic-architecture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tate.org.uk&#x2F;whats-on&#x2F;tate-britain&#x2F;turner-prize-2...</a>).Not sure if they&#x27;re still fêted as artists or have moved away from that label. I still find their approach completely mesmerizing nevertheless.

What a depressing portfolio...Their reconstruction of the Beirut Port explosion was incredible though: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;investigation&#x2F;beirut-port-explosion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;investigation&#x2F;beirut-port-...</a>

Forensic Architecture, the people who did the spatial reconstruction, have been around for a while. You can see more examples of their investigations here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;</a>

With a specificity of the number of shots and the spatial reconstruction of the scene, there&#x27;s some impressive uses of tech to bolster reporting:&gt;A digital reconstruction of the scene shows that the soldiers would have had an uninterrupted view of the arrival of the convoy.&gt;The reconstruction was jointly achieved with the two survivors of the incident, with an immersive spatial model they could walk through and amend. Together with spatial and audio analysis we established the position of the soldiers on an elevated ground with an unobstructed line of sight to the emergency vehicles.

Isn&#x27;t mass murder of civilians the most Israeli thing ever? For those out of the loop, this isn&#x27;t an anomaly.It&#x27;s a societal-level policy: 47% of Israeli Jews want all Palestinians killed; 82% want all Palestinians forcefully expelled (i.e., ethnically cleansed) [0] which would constitute genocide. 56% want the same for all Israeli Arabs.So, it&#x27;s pathetic when Westerners act surprised at Israel&#x27;s antics: you can&#x27;t support a genocidal state and then be shocked when it does genocidal stuff. This is just Tuesday for them.Once you understand this, Israel&#x27;s actions are not an anomaly. It&#x27;s the natural expression of people who consider their neighbors beneath them, and barely even human.[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.genocidewatch.com&#x2F;single-post&#x2F;poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.genocidewatch.com&#x2F;single-post&#x2F;poll-show-most-jew...</a>

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang&amp;dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang...</a><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47141443">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47141443</a>

Its not automatic due to bot activity. It is from people actively suppressing stories that don&#x27;t want other people to see.This is discernible by watching how long it takes stories like these to reach a flagged state on the new submissions page. It is further evident by watching which comments within those submissions get flagged based upon their upvotes and visibility.

Any posts linked to the IDF committing crimes are automatically flagged on this site (and others). Many bots are at play here.

I didn’t flag. But the top comments are nothing to do with the tech, and aren’t dissimilar from any Gaza War commentary online.

Why was this flagged? Automatically &#x2F; without review? This is a novel tech story, albeit one without a lot of technical detail.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.earshot.ngo&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;audio-ballistics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.earshot.ngo&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;audio-ballistics</a><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;</a><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2026&#x2F;02&#x2F;Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads...</a>&gt; Earshot used echolocation to analyze the audio on the recordings in order to arrive at precise estimates of the shooters’ locations. Echolocation is the process of locating the source of a sound based on an analysis of the sound’s echoes and the environment in which the sound travels. The Israeli military destroyed and cleared so many buildings in the Tel Al-Sultan area where the ambush of the aid workers took place that very few structures remained. This destruction actually strengthened Earshot’s ability to determine the positions and movements of Israeli soldiers, based on identifying the surfaces responsible for clearly distinguishable gunshot echoes. Rather than having multiple buildings reflecting the sound waves, there were only a few standing walls and the emergency vehicles themselves.&gt; “Earshot forensically analyzed over 900 gunshots fired at aid workers. It took one whole year of careful listening to reconstruct an auditory picture of what happened that dark night,” Lawrence Abu Hamdan, the director of Earshot, told Drop Site.I&#x27;m not sure how much this was actually necessary to the eventual verdict if this is ever adjudicated, though, if &quot;hiding the evidence&quot; is a factor:&gt; Following the ambush, Israeli forces crushed all eight vehicles using heavy machinery and attempted to bury them under the sand.&gt; The body of Anwar al-Attar was found near the ambush site on March 27, and the bodies of the other 14 aid workers, all wearing identifying uniforms or volunteer vests of their respective organizations, were found in a mass grave near the site on March 30.But the understanding that they were advanced upon in a walking wave of fire, and then the survivors were executed one by one at close range, may help.

Is there an HN but for anarchists? Or maybe just anti-authoritarians?

If we can&#x27;t flag it, make it disappear from the front page.Collectively done via Israel&#x27;s RiseApp and similar.

Did you click on the link? It&#x27;s a pretty amazing technological investigation.Even just technologically it&#x27;s more interesting than 90% of the stuff posted here.

&gt; No, it’s not. And I gladly flagged it.
&gt; Redirects set to: talk.politics.misc.So you don’t think anyone should discuss topics that touch on politics, including this war, on HN?

No, its not. And I gladly flagged it.Redirects set to: talk.politics.misc.

Real shame this got flagged so quickly, too. This is prime HN material.

In <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hckrnews.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hckrnews.com</a> these flagged items appear listed. With <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hckrnews.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hckrnews.com</a> as my entry into HN I don&#x27;t see the need for HackerNewsRemovals other than curiosity to see what is removed.

They also appear on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;</a>

ok I just found out about &#x2F;active a few weeks ago and now this? stop humiliating me please

You can just click on your username in the upper right and change &quot;showdead&quot; from &quot;no&quot; to &quot;yes&quot;.

I reached this post via <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vitoplantamura&#x2F;HackerNewsRemovals" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vitoplantamura&#x2F;HackerNewsRemovals</a>I recommend any hackernews users to check that site frequently, plenty of interesting posts on hackernews that get flagged and hidden daily.

Not sure I understand the mass downvotes on this one. I didn&#x27;t take it as endorsing the action but summarizing the rationale.

&gt; according to accepted conventionsWho accepted those? And did they have a right to do so on behalf of _all_ of humanity?The conventions are a guideline. To use them as a blanket moral justification for your actions after the fact is extremely disingenuous.

A lot of that ambiguity would vanish if Israel did not have a habit of drastically overstating their case and quietly walking it back after they end up killing more journalists and toddlers than active combatants in hospital bombings. Also if reports didn&#x27;t deliberately conflate &#x27;armed man&#x27; with &#x27;Hamas militant&#x27; and euphemize about the &#x27;Hamas-run Interior Ministry&#x27; like that one does.

&gt; All the hospitals are now rubbleHospitals may have been used for retaliation [0], but it is unclear how many &amp; in what capacity (according to accepted conventions, using a hospital to treat wounded combatants wouldn&#x27;t make it a valid military target, for example; but hiding weapons or personnel would).[0] One such recent report: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;healthcare-pharmaceuticals&#x2F;msf-suspends-some-gaza-hospital-work-over-presence-gunmen-suspected-weapons-2026-02-14&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;healthcare-pharmaceuticals&#x2F;...</a>

If you have 3 hours, there&#x27;s a documentary you can watch, about a man who was sanctioned by the government to kill a lot of &quot;communists&quot; in 1960&#x27;s Indonesia: The Act of Killing (available at e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q</a> ).It&#x27;s sort of understandable why the defenders of the genocide have to keep defending it. Stopping doing so today would mean admitting that until yesterday you&#x27;ve been defending utter inhumanity.A review:&gt; Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing is a challenging documentary. It is not only difficult to watch, but it also probes into one of the most grotesque aspects of human nature: the capacity for self-delusion in the face of horrific atrocities. This isn’t a film about history, facts, or statistics; it’s about the memories of the men who killed, the stories they tell themselves, and how they continue to live with the horrors they’ve inflicted on others. The film’s power lies in its ability to take the viewer beyond a surface-level understanding of evil and into the psychological abyss of those who have committed atrocities—and seemingly moved on with their lives.From: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docthisway.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;23&#x2F;the-act-of-killing-review&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docthisway.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;23&#x2F;the-act-of-killing-review&#x2F;</a>

&gt; I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It&#x27;s hopeless at this point.I don&#x27;t think &quot;sense&quot; is the issue.1) Are you sure you were talking to actual people and not fake personas or even bots?2) Keep in mind that there is A LOT of money to be made working for Israeli PR. Some people will take that money regardless of what they know is the actual truth. Some examples:- Certain social media influencers being paid up to $7000 per post [1]- Israel boosts propaganda funding by $150m to sway global opinion against genocide [2] [3]- &quot;[...] a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.” &quot; [4][1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;responsiblestatecraft.org&#x2F;israel-influencers-netanyahu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;responsiblestatecraft.org&#x2F;israel-influencers-netanya...</a>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.middleeasteye.net&#x2F;live-blog&#x2F;live-blog-update&#x2F;israel-boosts-propaganda-funding-150-million-sway-global-opinion-against" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.middleeasteye.net&#x2F;live-blog&#x2F;live-blog-update&#x2F;isr...</a>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com&#x2F;israel-has-spent-millions-trying-win-hearts-and-minds-abroad-its-about-to-spend-20-times-more&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com&#x2F;israel-has-spent-m...</a>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jta.org&#x2F;2025&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;united-states&#x2F;israels-secret-esther-project-doj-filings-reveal-paid-us-influencer-campaign-amid-ai-powered-pr-blitz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jta.org&#x2F;2025&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;united-states&#x2F;israels-secret-...</a>

I don&#x27;t know why you&#x27;re using the past tense here, I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It&#x27;s hopeless at this point.

You didn&#x27;t actually address the actual point. Israel and it&#x27;s defenders have been lying about the death toll this entire time and Hamas was not.&gt; - Israel&#x27;s response was hasty, unplanned, purely driven by emotion at the beginning, and it quickly grew beyond any reason in the next weeks.This is also an extreme understatement. It&#x27;s literally a genocide.

&gt; and it quickly grew beyond any reasonWhy did it quickly grow?

Israel&#x27;s response was very similar to the US&#x27;s response to 9&#x2F;11.  3,000 Americans were killed by terrorists (a smaller percentage of the population than Israelis killed on 10&#x2F;7) and as a response the US started two wars killing at least 100 times as many Afghans and Iraqis (there are lots of debates about the total casualties there too just like Gaza).  This is not a defense of Israel, just a fact that seemingly is never part of the conversation that I think can help people better understand why this is happening.

You forgot eighty years of occupation, cultural , economical and ethnical cleansing of the local indigenous people called Palestinians with help of US and Western countries mainly.

Hamas is a terror organisation funded, and quite possibly created, by far-right nationalist elements in the Israeli government to weaken the Palestinian authority and create a pretext for the occupation of Gaza.Netanyahu is on the record funnelling money through Qatar. He said it was for &quot;humanitarian aid&quot; - which would be more credible if it wasn&#x27;t such an extraordinary and unusual outbreak of concern for Palestinian wellbeing.The occupation is straight out genocide, labelled as such by many Israeli scholars, as well as most of Rest of World.This level of barbarism and entitlement has no place on a civilised planet.

You can call hamas whatever you&#x27;d like, but it&#x27;s certainly not hamas doing most of the terrorizing in palestine....

&gt; and it quickly grew beyond any reason in the next weeks.you still refuse to call it a crime against humanity? shame on you.

Two things are valid at once:- Hamas is a terrorist organization that planned and executed a mass terror campaign, fully knowing and hoping for the reaction. And boasting about it continuously and repeatedly.- Israel&#x27;s response was hasty, unplanned, purely driven by emotion at the beginning, and it quickly grew beyond any reason in the next weeks.

Never heard (and couldn&#x27;t find anything) about it. That &quot;Board of Peace&quot; you&#x27;re most likely referring to is nothing more than your usual Trump grift - each country willing to join has to pay 1 billion $, and there have been 25 countries declaring their intent to join.Make up the math yourself, even if there will be legitimate expenses for PMCs, reconstruction and god knows what else, even skimming off 5% of that sum will still be a lot of money for Trump. And it would not be the first time he launches a multi-billion grift &#x2F; money laundering scheme, remember $TRUMP and $MELANIA and I&#x27;ve probably forgotten about the other coins?

There is an alternate World Peace Force that just got started recently because I believe, as regimes change, the UN will audit what happened. The issue is there will now be another international body that will argue the other way. It’s not exactly 3d chess, but, it is chess. Purchase of US TikTok (chess moves).

&gt; By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza.An oddly specific claim. Hamas hasn&#x27;t killed any Israeli with a turtle, either.I&#x27;m not sure why destroying hospitals with tanks, missiles, and sappers is better than &quot;aerial bombs&quot;. Could you elaborate?

Hamas didn&#x27;t &quot;weaponize every hospital in Gaza.&quot;

Hamas has weaponized every hospital in Gaza. By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza.What has happened is Israel has attacked hospitals with Hamas presence using ground forces, and they have dropped bombs on hospital grounds, but not in hospitals themselves.

&gt; Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” lineSo there&#x27;s zero link whatsoever between Hamas executing 1200 civilians on Oct 7th, taking 200 hostages, and the following war (and war crimes) of Israel?Israel literally unilaterally began a war and committed war crimes without any act of aggression?And from the moment 200 hostages had been taken, many of whom died in captivity, everything was carved in stone and no matter what Hamas did, Israel was going anyway to war and to commit war crimes?Or did something happen on Oct 7th that triggered all this?

There was a second part to that which is &quot;and surrender&quot;.But there&#x27;s definitely been a large reduction in violence since the hostages were returned. Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas.

&gt; Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” lineDid the ceasefire not coincide with the return of the hostages? What am I missing?

Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line

It&#x27;s important to note that the official death toll, acknowledged by the IDF, are of those whose bodies have been recovered.Nor has the genocide stopped.

I remember when folks here were shilling the &quot;Israel promises they&#x27;d never bomb a hospital&quot; and &quot;Hamas is lying about the death toll&quot; lines.All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haaretz.com&#x2F;israel-news&#x2F;2026-01-29&#x2F;ty-article&#x2F;.premium&#x2F;idf-accepts-gaza-health-ministry-estimate-of-over-70-000-palestinians-killed-in-the-war&#x2F;0000019c-0918-dec4-adfd-fd5dde830000" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haaretz.com&#x2F;israel-news&#x2F;2026-01-29&#x2F;ty-article&#x2F;.p...</a>There&#x27;s damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made a policy of finding and destroying all the phones. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;04&#x2F;world&#x2F;middleeast&#x2F;gaza-israel-aid-workers-deaths-video.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;04&#x2F;world&#x2F;middleeast&#x2F;gaza-isr...</a>

Damn, the IDF got this guy mid-sentence...

&gt; The citizens that protested because the Israeli military arrested (after a lot of international pressure) soldiers that were caught raping Palestinian prisoners.The people you&#x27;re talking about are Israel&#x27;s far-right. I don&#x27;t think you can index from them onto the median Israeli&#x27;s political views anymore than you could reasonably index from a member of Hamas&#x27;s armed wing onto the median Palestinian.(A recurring theme in both I&#x2F;P and MENA conflicts more generally is that political minorities - WB settlers in Israel, for example, manage to wield disproportionate power and induce chaos and strife across the region.)

The problem is majority of Israeli citizens think the government isn&#x27;t doing enough.Cue the citizens that protested to stop the aid trucks from going into Gaza. The citizens that protested because the Israeli military arrested (after a lot of international pressure) soldiers that were caught raping Palestinian prisoners. They were protesting for the right of soldiers to continue to rape.

That&#x27;s surprising low given 21% of the population are Israeli Arabs.

Only 5% of Israelis believe that IDF used too much violence in Gaza..

&gt; I hope that the good people of Israel realize what their hideous regime is doing and stop it.There’s a small but courageous peace movement in Israel. They don’t have the kind of sway it would take to stop anything.

The good people of israel? You mean the citizen army that carried out the genocide? I am sure they really hate their government but probably because they think its not doing enough.

Disgusted by this, I hope that the good people of Israel realize what their hideous regime is doing and stop it. 
I know for sure that

This is commonly misconstrued as christianity, but in christian tradition it would bring about the coming of the antichrist, massive persecutions globally, and armageddon.

Huckabee is a Christian Zionist.I&#x27;m sure he sees the death and displacement of millions as a small price to pay to bring about the Rapture in his lifetime.

&gt; Also, they are insanely antisemitic and believe most Jews will go to hell.A good chunk of them are insanely pro-semitic as well, as they adopt the dual covenant belief that Jews will actually also go to heaven as well as Christians. I&#x27;ve actually never met anyone that adhered to the pro-zionist dispensationalist view that fully thought out the implied consequences, then proceeded to harbor a personal hatred of Jews. The vast majority of them love all things Jewish and hold them in high regard.

Keep in mind that these powerful men believe that Jewish people coming back to Israel is the first step of the Apocalypse, and the return of Christ. It is a death cult quite literally trying to bring about the end of the world, and they&#x27;re ruling the world. Also, they are insanely antisemitic and believe most Jews will go to hell.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;religiondispatches.org&#x2F;2025&#x2F;12&#x2F;04&#x2F;mike-huckabee-tries-get-apocalypse-started" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;religiondispatches.org&#x2F;2025&#x2F;12&#x2F;04&#x2F;mike-huckabee-trie...</a>

Hmm well I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;d be an error to assume that his particularly evil flavor of Christian eschatology reflects the political or military policies of Israel.

Mike Huckabee is a clown who was more or less strategically plonked into Israel to feed soothing quotes to the settler minority. I think it&#x27;d be an error to assume that his particularly evil flavor of Christian eschatology reflects the political or military policies of Israel (which is saying a lot, since Israel&#x27;s military policy is very clearly good at producing war crimes).

Huckabee is some official spokesperson of the Israeli government?  Or holds some other role in it?

Mike Huckabee said yesterday that all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates should be taken by Israel. That would involve a cleansing of hundreds of millions of people.

&gt; On the other hand, there are conflicts across Africa and Asia which are not receiving half the attention.Because the West doesn&#x27;t fund and shield the perpetrators unlike Israel.

&gt; It’s literally happening in UkraineUkraine isn&#x27;t part of the West.&gt; to a lesser scale but precisely the same in type, MinneapolisWhat was happening in Minneapolis is not only much smaller in scale than what&#x27;s happening in Palestine, it&#x27;s also just a completely different thing.

I doubt it is helpful to compare these conflicts because they all have an entirely different source of conflict.

&gt; If this was happening against the west, people would care a lot moreIt’s literally happening in Ukraine and, to a lesser scale but precisely the same in type, Minneapolis. On the other hand, there are conflicts across Africa and Asia which are not receiving half the attention.

If this was happening against the west, people would care a lot more. Unfortunately, nothing seems to be happening to Israel.

&gt; problem is that both sides lie flagrantlyAnd yet one side is committing genocide.

But not the video in the OP which demonstrates that the IDF were, in fact firing on aid workers and refugees as they had been accused of, and certainly not the hours of footage of the IDF brazenly taking human shields over the years while insisting they didn&#x27;t, or the reports of the IDF arming settlers. Curious that you can&#x27;t enumerate any of these, and you&#x27;re happy to take at face value a claim the IDF makes but doesn&#x27;t allow independent third parties to verify (a Hamas bunker w&#x2F; data center equipment directly underneath the UNRWA HQ in Gaza) while abjuring such behaviour.

&gt; On the other side there was the famous &quot;hospital bombing&quot; news event early in the war where it was claimed that 500 people were killed, and then within a couple of hours it became obvious that the explosion was caused by a misfiring Hamas rocket,This is an Israeli lie. Not only has Israel bombed all of the hospitals, they murdered an entire NICU of infants. I can&#x27;t believe people are still trying to justify blowing up hospitals!

&gt; On the other side there was the famous &quot;hospital bombing&quot; news event early in the war where it was claimed that 500 people were killed, and then within a couple of hours it became obvious that the explosion was caused by a misfiring Hamas rocket...Forensic-architecture published a report on that too: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;investigation&#x2F;israeli-disinformation-al-ahli-hospital" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forensic-architecture.org&#x2F;investigation&#x2F;israeli-disi...</a>

The problem is that both sides lie flagrantly with such frequency that very few claims about the war can be taken at face value.On the other side there was the famous &quot;hospital bombing&quot; news event early in the war where it was claimed that 500 people were killed, and then within a couple of hours it became obvious that the explosion was caused by a misfiring Hamas rocket, with video from multiple angles of the failure, that it hit an empty parking lot in front of the hospital and only blew out the windows and burnt a few cars, and that no more than a handful of people had been killed.And also the repeated claims that Israel were lying about the tunnels under Gaza Hospitals, and make videos of one such strike (a bunker buster penetrating the parking lot just outside the entrance) go viral, only for Hamas to later announce that one of the replacement leaders for Sinwar had been killed in that strike, and for excavation to find the bunkers &#x2F; tunnel network underneath that very hospital.As well as, earlier in the war, a Hamas bunker w&#x2F; data center equipment directly underneath the UNRWA HQ in Gaza.None of that justifies genuine instances of war crimes and atrocities that Israel may have committed, but there&#x27;s a reason why people tune out some of the extreme claims that fly around.

It&#x27;s gonna happen again and again and again until the end of humanity.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_humanitarian_and_human_rights_groups_accusing_Israel_of_genocide_in_Gaza" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_humanitarian_and_human...</a>

&gt; If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day.You can&#x27;t infer intent that way. Nuking Gaza isn&#x27;t free, it would introduce an existential threat to Israel. They are toeing a dangerous line already, and using WMDs would align other countries against them really quickly.Putin isn&#x27;t avoiding using nukes on Ukraine because he&#x27;s a nice guy.

How is long term ethnic cleansing different from genocide?

Your are using an argument similar to the repugnant logic of Holocaust deniers. They use claims that Germany could have easily killed Jews &#x2F;even faster&#x2F; as an argument to claim that they didn&#x27;t commit genocide &#x2F;at all&#x2F;.

“Your honor and members of the jury: my client could have easily committed way worse crimes!”

Yes, there is a long term effort by the State of Israel to remove Palestinian life from Palestinian land.The term &quot;genocide&quot; noes not mean &quot;kill every single member of a group&quot;, it refers to the destruction of the group itself by whatever means.&gt; you’re just repeating what you read unthinkingly if you say genocide.Your policy of deeming everybody who does not have the same opinion as you to be too stupid, is smug, self serving and lazy.See, I could just also go ahead and tell you that you are too &quot;unthinkingly&quot; to know that &quot;ethnic cleansing&quot; is a euphemism for &quot;genocide&quot; and that &quot;long term ethnic cleansing&quot; is exactly congruent in meaning with &quot;genocide&quot; (look it up).Instead of doing that, I would like you to consider that when I say that the state of Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people, I have thought long and hard about whether that is the appropriate term, and without taking it lightly, I have for myself concluded that that is actually the correct term.

So by your logic if you slowly exterminate a people its not genocide?

&gt;If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day.And the retaliation from the rest of the world in those circumstances would be swift and measured in hours, and there would be a smoking pile of rubble in that particular part of the world that would be uninhabitable for centuries.So instead, Israel is cooking the frog.

This is one of the worst pro-Israel arguments; I can&#x27;t believe people still make it. Israel isn&#x27;t going to drop a nuke on the &quot;holy land&quot;, where they want to start building Jewish settlements, a few dozen miles from Tel Aviv. No matter how much they hate Palestinians, people don&#x27;t want to live in an irradiated wasteland.

It’s strange to me when otherwise intelligent people call this genocide. Genocide is an attempt to exterminate an entire people. Israel is a nuclear armed nation fighting against the equivalent of Dayton, OH.If genocide were the goal this war would have lasted one day.Collective punishment, or a long term ethnic cleansing would be much more accurate, but you’re just repeating what you read unthinkingly if you say genocide.

The media organizations and people who pushed the pro-Israel narrative already understand all of this - it&#x27;s not a failure, it was their intended goal.

I just wanna say it&#x27;s nice to see more people finally waking up and smelling the ashes. I can only hope in the future this genocide will be studied to better understand the main points of failure to not repeat such a widely event covered event.

I actually got accused of being racist for saying that anti-zionism and anti-semitism are not the same thing.

and if you don&#x27;t agree, you&#x27;re antisemitic

That didn&#x27;t happen.And if it did, it wasn&#x27;t that bad.And if it was, that&#x27;s not a big deal.And if it is, that&#x27;s not the IDF&#x27;s fault.And if it was, they didn&#x27;t mean it.And if they did, Gaza deserved it.

&gt; If video evidence indicates IDF personnel committing these crimes also happen to be US citizens I wonder if those people could face criminal prosecution in the US.I think it’s become pretty apparent that they would not face any repercussions and might even be rewarded.

They certainly could be prosecuted; see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cair.com&#x2F;press_releases&#x2F;cair-chicago-urges-doj-to-file-war-crime-charges-against-naperville-man-who-joined-idf-admitted-sniping-children" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cair.com&#x2F;press_releases&#x2F;cair-chicago-urges-doj-t...</a>.But at this point the DoJ acts more like Trump&#x27;s personal law firm.

Israel doesn’t extradite to the US. Hence why so many pedos escape to there

If video evidence indicates IDF personnel committing these crimes also happen to be US citizens I wonder if those people could face criminal prosecution in the US.  As an American I wouldn&#x27;t want to live next to or do business with a serial murderer.  I certainly wouldn&#x27;t want them coaching my kids sports or other community involvement.

It just shows how degenerate the indoctrination really is, its just out in the open now.

Acting proportionally would make no sense though.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2025&#x2F;sep&#x2F;09&#x2F;the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2025&#x2F;sep&#x2F;09&#x2F;the-gaza-famil...</a>Read that and tell me that Israel is acting proportionally...

I also almost believe that top echelons of Israeli intelligence knew about the upcoming attack, but they didn&#x27;t expect THAT many fatalities and that Hamas were going to take hostages alive.

Let&#x27;s also not forget that Hamas still exists and is regaining numbers and territory: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;c98g1klxnpxo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;c98g1klxnpxo</a>You can&#x27;t just stamp out a guerilla resistance the way Israel have tried to do. I suspect Hamas reckoned that a well-timed short term sacrifice would turn global opinion against Israel.

Most people in Gaza now aren&#x27;t old enough to have voted for Hamas. Median age is estimated to be under 20.

&gt;My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew it would garner support (which it did) and they also knew they had nothing to lose because this is what would have happened in the long-term anyway. They chose between a quick death and a slow death. Unfortunately, everyone else who originally chose them to protect them didn&#x27;t get to choose. I doubt most would have voted for this if they had that choice.Maybe. I actually think they didnt expect to be so successful also.

&gt; They chose between a quick death and a slow death.It continues to be strange to me that &quot;not choosing death&quot; was apparently never an option.

&gt; Hamas was insane to think that Bibi would NOT BOMB the Gaza in retaliation.My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew it would garner support (which it did) and they also knew they had nothing to lose because this is what would have happened in the long-term anyway. They chose between a quick death and a slow death. Unfortunately, everyone else who originally chose them to protect them didn&#x27;t get to choose. I doubt most would have voted for this if they had that choice.

The point isn&#x27;t that nothing happened, it is that nothing _that justifies_ the attack happened.

Reminds me of Tiananmen square in regard to how stubbornly westerners insist that NOTHING happened in Gaza before 7&#x2F;23

&gt; Hamas was the first to cast the stone.That is ignoring many decades of history.

When you know what father of Israel did during WW2 to fund the current Israel.Uhg, too bad its not taught in school coz history is written by winners and you have to search for it yourself.Yes Israel commits an ongoing genocide.And I look at this only by lens of history.

&gt; Palestine is a country under a brutal military occupation and progressive illegal colonisation that has been going on for 80 years.If Mexico had started attacking the US across the border, what would the US do? I&#x27;m curious to hear what you think a country should do in this circumstance.

&gt; Israel had already killed many, many more civilians in Gaza than Hamas did in Israel with that attack.And how does it justify Hamas killing unarmed civilians? How does it justify Hamas lobbing grenades at Nepali students?<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cy0kllzqk1vo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cy0kllzqk1vo</a>

&gt; Hamas was the first to cast the stone.Palestine is a country under a brutal military occupation and progressive illegal colonisation that has been going on for 80 years. Before October 7, Israel had already killed many, many more civilians in Gaza than Hamas did in Israel with that attack.

It&#x27;s not a secret. It started in the 80s and lasted until they won the election in 2005. It&#x27;s not a conspiracy theory, this is History. Official History everyone one agrees on, even israel and Hamas themselves.

- Hamas is well-funded by Israel (to false flag?).

&gt; Hamas was the first to cast the stone.HAMAS is an entity formed by refugees having fled the nakba and been stored on top of each other in an open air prison.

Sounds as if you&#x27;re defending genocide style killing civilians.

&gt; Israel ALWAYS gonna retaliate with non proportional force when it comes to security of its citizens.This is the logic of conflicts in the middle east and many or probably most parts of the world. If you don&#x27;t retaliate hard and defend yourself thoroughly, it is seen as weakness. Not much more sophisticated than how bullying works.

My stance is Mossad reading:- Likud is an evil political party- Natanyahu is a wanted war criminal- IDF committed many atrocities- Hamas was insane to think that Bibi would NOT BOMB the Gaza in retaliation.- Hamas was the first to cast the stone.- Israel ALWAYS gonna retaliate with non proportional force when it comes to security of its citizens.

Well, you could join Palantir and f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶m̶ help develop Israel&#x27;s terrorism in Gaza.

Well, you could join Palantir and fight terrorism: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.palantir.com&#x2F;careers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.palantir.com&#x2F;careers&#x2F;</a>

What is the HN community doing to use tech to combat terrorism and defend civilian security and freedom?

As someone raised as a Jew in America, this is beautifully said. Thank you.

Hello friend.From Palestine I want to send you all the best wishes for freedom in Iran. It&#x27;s time.And to my Jewish sisters and brothers and siblings in general I want to send a wish for for freedom and end of this stupid hatred..There is not actually a good reason for all this violence.

Iranian here! I wish freedom for the people of Gaza and an end to their suffering and oppression. Down with all the dictators and oppressors. Be it IRGC or IDF.

What is the appropriate term to describe something that would do such a thing to a human being?What should be done with it?

Shot, execution-style, then dumped in a mass grave. The ambulances were then buried to try and hide evidence of the attack.

&gt;Israeli soldiers fired over 900 bullets at the aid workersThat is a LOT of shooting.A normal mag holds 30 rounds, that&#x27;s 30 full magazines worth of bullets they dumped into these people.They were really trying to make sure there were no survivors.

I hear about IDF war crimes all the time, but this level of lying and cover-up is something new and causing me some serious cognitive dissonance right now.On the tech side I’m wondering if any LLMs were used for the investigation, they don&#x27;t seem to mention any by name at least.

Exceptional report. Surprised to see that much of a confusion on HN about why it is there. MH17 posts with forensics did not seem to be offtopic when they were posted. This fits.

The team involved in this analysis, Forensic Architecture, have a pretty decent youtube channel showing how they do things: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@forensicarchitecture1967&#x2F;videos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@forensicarchitecture1967&#x2F;videos</a>

Israel killed UK army veterans, it was a targeted operation and a precision strike to send a message.It was covered by UK media for a short period and they would gloss over the veterans and focus more broadly on WCK, there is lots of examples of UK media weird coverage like this which no doubt was intentional. It was also barely spoken about by UK politiciansRIP John Chapman, James Henderson, and James Kirby.

I can upvote just fine. Perhaps you’ve already upvoted it, so the (already used) upvote button is now missing?

I&#x27;ve never seen a topic I couldn&#x27;t upvote before?

You still have people defending the occupation forces even when the soldiers themselves are bragging no social media about killing kids, and how they wished they killed more.

Comparing to their own rituals and practices around corpses it really goes to show just how thoroughly they have dehumanized the Palestinian people.Israel long since stopped using smart bombs because a)they were too expensive and b)they didn&#x27;t really give a shit who died in them executing someone a black-box AI decided was a terrorist (an AI they know is wildly inaccurate.) But even the smart bombs - they didn&#x27;t care if they wiped out an entire family just to kill one person.They even have snipers focusing on children. Doctors from international aid organizations working in the hospitals noticed that they were seeing a large number of children were showing up with few injuries&#x2F;wounds except nearly identical head&#x2F;chest wounds, and that not many adults were coming in with such injuries.Targeting and prioritizing killing children has only one purpose: extermination.

Seems like a good question to ask imo. The lack of accountability of crimes against humanity and children and the general apathy and shrug worthy reaction to most people to these issues especially on this site seems relevant commentary.

Seems like you’re asking “what’s the point of investigating crimes against humanity?”And if that’s a question you have to ask, then clearly something is very wrong.

This is a kind of inverted-retrograde of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect.Gell-Mann: 1) disbelieve a bogus story, then 2) turn the page and blithely believe the next storyYou: 1) believe bona fide investigative journalism, then 0) ask what the point of journalism even is.

I can tell you that the genocide and the Epstein files have made me to completely recalibrate my world view in regards to few countries. Absolutely. I bet many normies are going through these thoughts too in their heads now.

Journalism isn&#x27;t valued by how many opinions have changed, it is there to report on stories that are or have happened. You ask for consequences in your comment but how can there be consequences if there are no reports? Absolutely baffling take.

Presenting evidence has a point besides getting people to change their opinion on matters.However, peoples&#x27; opinions often change, and when that happens, it has to happen somewhere.Mine wasn&#x27;t on reading this article, but I believe when someone on HN shared the wikipedia article on journalist deaths in Gaza, maybe around January or February 2024

This report presents sober technical analysis combined with witness testimony, creating an extremely concincing whole. It&#x27;s not biased in any direction except the truth.

This report is too biased for a critical thinker to change their mind.

I would like to know: is there even a single person here, who actually changed his opinion regarding this whole matter upon seeing this report? Not confirmed anything, but actually was forced to re-evaluate his opinion. Like, previously you thought that IDF are good guys, and all Israel does is justified self-defense measures, and now you see this as genocide of Palestinians?Of course, I assume, the answer is — no one. (And I&#x27;m hoping somebody will tell me I&#x27;m wrong.) So, what&#x27;s the point? Is somebody gonna be held accountable? Will Israel be treated differently as a country from now on? If no, what&#x27;s the point?

According to reports from locals in Asia and Europe, they are traveling and enjoying life to the fullest while harassing local communities during those trips.

This soldier couldn&#x27;t<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;21&#x2F;middleeast&#x2F;gaza-war-israeli-soldiers-ptsd-suicide-intl&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;21&#x2F;middleeast&#x2F;gaza-war-israe...</a>You have to read pretty far into this very sympathetic piece to discover he was running over hundreds of living people with a bullzdozer:&gt; In a testimony to the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, in June, Zaken said that on many occasions, soldiers had to “run over terrorists, dead and alive, in the hundreds.”&gt; “Everything squirts out,” he added.

Imagine being one of those soldiers. How could you live with yourself? How could you look anyone in the eye, your comrades, your family?

The mods need an excuse to shut this one down.

Because Attent-fueled truth-deniers might get downvoted or flagged by reasonable people.

If so many comments are going to be flagged, why even bother having a comment section?

Anyone else notice the &quot;lorem ipsum&quot; on page 13?

Of course, the Epsteinists have woken up and are now in a downvote spree.

In the last 3 years, many users on HN have justified Genocide constantly and openly while downvoting any dissenting opinion trying to speak up against this genocide.And all of them, without fail, when convenient, without consequence, will lie and act like they were against it. Once the genocidaires have built waterfront property upon the fresh tiny bones once the Board of Holocaust Profiteering is done with its demonic mandate.The entirety of the upper echelons of the tech industry, now in bed with the death industry, is that one swimming pool scene from &quot;The Zone of Interest&quot;. Shame on all of you. And shame on the rest of us.We have failed as a peoples in history.

&gt; &quot;if we didn&#x27;t do it to them they&#x27;d do it to us,&quot;And he didn’t think that Hamas could use the same lame excuse for their terror?

People with historical trauma are far more likely to inflict further wrongs than people without historical trauma. This is the case for individual trauma too. It has always been this way.

I think about this a lot re: Israel. I had a conversation once with an Israeli where he was convinced &quot;everyone is racist,&quot; but we&#x27;re all too woke to admit it or something, or have some belief that racism is wrong but work to overcome this inherent thing.His arguments were all very zero sum, &quot;if we didn&#x27;t do it to them they&#x27;d do it to us,&quot; and from conversations with friends I&#x27;m thinking that what&#x27;s happening here is the Israeli media apparatus focuses heavily on creating an &quot;us vs them&quot; mentality for diaspora Jewish people, which has now backfired to create a whole lot of Islamophobic and racist people.It&#x27;s interesting because one may think that people with a historical trauma of one of the worst things ever carried out in human history would be the least likely to do something like that and the most likely to see the writing on the wall if something like that was about to happen again, but sadly that was too optimistic: the opposite happened.

The downtrodden have become the oppressor.

By buying US products, using US-based media, and adopting US narratives? That&#x27;s a part of the problem. This world is lacking multilateralism.

Many of us are waiting for the people in the US to start taking their responsibility seriously.

Accountability has gone out of the window a long time. The only way it will come back is when the people fight back.

In case you wished to support legal efforts against Israeli soldiers accused of war crimes. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hindrajabfoundation.org&#x2F;donate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hindrajabfoundation.org&#x2F;donate</a>

Awesome technicalities aside, it is really hard to watch the non-sensical violence and destructions when nobody is held accountable.

Created a new account just to comment on this biased report. Either you a bot or you can&#x27;t read

The place where humanity dies. Only a terrorist organization does this.

Any risk of being accused of funding terrorism by the US if I donate there?

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gaza-verified.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gaza-verified.org&#x2F;</a>

What can we individually do to help the people in Gaza, but even more broadly with human rights issues. Basically, to whom give our money to?

Mods, can you look at this comment and maybe unflag it? It has some snarky language (&quot;armchair critics&quot;) but it doesn&#x27;t seem to contain anything flaggable and it provides important context, namely what I take to be the perspective from the pro-Israeli side. I for one am very curious to know what that this.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47147359">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47147359</a>

I like Forensic Architecture’s work in general and I think this report is valuable as a micro-level reconstruction of a specific incident.
That said, I think a lot of the HN discussion is treating it as if it captures the broader complexity of the conflict and I’m not sure thats what it can realistically do, at most, it leaves a lot of room for speculations - speculations which are fed by already existing bias of the reader (or so I see in the comments).A few gaps that matter if we’re trying to reason beyond the single event:Framing &#x2F; conclusion baked in: terms like “executions” and “concealment” may ultimately be correct, but they’re also strong legal&#x2F;moral claims that can bias interpretation unless the alternative hypotheses are seriously stress-tested. Its a dead giveaway of the writers bias. From this point on it looks like most biased readers do not try to critically tackle the reports claims.Limited “steelman” of operational context - without full access to military comms, ISR feeds, ROE, intel context, and command decisions in real time, it’s hard to evaluate what soldiers believed they were responding to (even if they were wrong, negligent, or violating orders). Its a known practice that Hamas militants travel undercover using civilian&#x2F;emergency vehicles - I think its really pathetic this report does not analyze nor even addresses this claim. This is not being objective, and most of you guys here are too critical-thinking to miss this one out (or is it a bot swamp here? i really dont know).Evidence asymmetry - open-source reconstructions can be rigorous, but they inherently rely on what’s available (videos&#x2F;audio&#x2F;witness accounts). That’s different from having the complete internal dataset that would settle key disputes. I know this is the best effort available, but still, it leaves a lot of room for speculation. My expectations of FA were higher than that.Conflation risk - a brutal case study can be an important data point, but it’s not automatically a comprehensive model of the war or the incentives&#x2F;constraints on both sides.“Here’s a detailed claim about what happened at Tel al-Sultan on that night.” would be a correct title for this report.Curious what you think: what specific pieces of primary data would most change your confidence&#x2F;speculations here? (e.g., full comms logs, drone video, ROE brief for that unit, chain-of-command timeline, etc.)

I&#x27;m surprised such news and we have to read it from &quot;dropsitenews.com&quot;

How does the fact that Israel is committing a genocide prevent anyone from discussing prosecuting the soldiers?That makes no sense.

Unfortunately this article and the conversation here is taken in the context of the entirety of Israel is bad, the whole military war against Hamas and its patrons was bad, and that there is a genocide in Gaza. It leaves little room to have meaningful conversations about difficult conditions in the war and whether soldiers acted incorrectly or not and if they should be tried or not with regards to this single incident.

Has anyone thought much about the impact of living in a group with a strong shared mythology? That is very rare among modern people, to the extent that we may have a hard time relating to it or reasoning about the impact it has on people’s moral sentiments and behaviors. Or at least it’s hard to see the one we do live in in a “this is water” kind of way, and we may have a hard time reasoning about the differences that different “waters” produce.Like if you grow up living inside the Star Wars mythology and suddenly you get a chance to fight The Empire, do you do it? Do you really care if people outside the Shared Mythos Group (TM) disagree with you doing it?(Note that I’m not saying anyone in this framing is “The Empire”, I’m just using the Star Wars mythology as a familiar example of a mythic framing)

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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report