From &quot;Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;morrick.me&#x2F;archives&#x2F;9368" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;morrick.me&#x2F;archives&#x2F;9368</a> from 5 years ago:--- start quote ---The utter user-interface butchery happening to Safari on the Mac is once again the work of people who put iOS first. People who by now think in iOS terms. People who view the venerable Mac OS user interface as an older person whose traits must be experimented upon, plastic surgery after plastic surgery, until this person looks younger. Unfortunately the effect is more like this person ends up looking… weird.These people look at the Mac’s UI and (that’s the impression, at least) don’t really understand it. Its foundations come from a past that almost seems inscrutable to them. Usability cues and features are all wrinkles to them. iOS and iPadOS don’t have these strange wrinkles, they muse. We must hide them. We’ll make this spectacular facelift and we’ll hide them, one by one. Mac OS will look as young (and foolish, cough) as iOS!--- end quote ---At the time it was only Safari that they wanted to &quot;modernize&quot;. Now it&#x27;s the full OS.

tribunalsthe cherry on top is the delay between the drag start and the window begining to resize

Shortly after Windows 10 came out I was joking that Microsoft finally made a Linux distribution (by replicating all the jankiness we usually associate with it).Now I guess it&#x27;s Apple&#x27;s turn.

I believe the parent is referring to how GNOME 3.0 had some really bad resizing grabs. Single-pixel widths at the edges, and almost impossible to hit corners.Latter versions significantly improved it.

Sort of! Cmd + Ctrl + drag moves windows now.

Wait, they implemented Alt-Drag&#x2F;Right drag?

macOS has Cmd + Ctrl + drag to move windows. Alt + drag seems unlikely given that it&#x27;s already often used for &quot;copy&quot; actions.

I actually wish macOS would clone Alt-dragging from anywhere to drag and Alt-right clicking to resize from anywhere from Linux (at least GNOME and KDE Plasma have this built-in). That would certainly solve most of the complaints in the original post.

KDE doesn&#x27;t actually suffer from this problem.

Indeed, no such &quot;invisible drag areas&quot; here either using just FVWM2.

*GNOME features, not Linux features. No such issues over here on KDE.I have often felt like GNOME is the most Apple-y of desktop environments; they&#x27;re very form over function. Not surprising to me at all that both would pick a design that seems beautiful until you try to use it.

Of all the Linux features to copy, they chose this.

Apple&#x27;s window management has always sucked, with the absurdly crippled resizing being a longstanding embarrassment.Into the 2000s, the only way you could resize a window on the Mac was to drag its lower-right corner. That is it. NO other corner, and no edge. So if the lower-right corner happened to be off-screen because the window was bigger than the screen, you were kind of screwed. You had to fiddle with the maximize &amp; restore gumdrops to trick the OS into resizing the window to make that ONE corner accessible. Then you had to move the corner, then roll all the way up to the title bar and move the window, then roll back down to the corner... until you had the window sized and positioned as you wanted.When Apple grudgingly added proper window-resizing, it made it as obscure as possible. Since Apple remains ignorant of the value of window FRAMES, there is no obvious zone within which the resizing cursor should take effect. There is no visual target for the user. This has always made an important and fundamental part of a windowed GUI a ridiculous pain in the ass on Macs.And as the author here notes, it has gotten even worse. Not only will the window often refuse to resize, but you&#x27;ll wind up activating whatever app lies behind the window you&#x27;re trying to resize... hiding the one you were dealing with.

....with a keyboard?  on macos I use Rectangle, on linux I just use the built-in resizing keyboard shortcuts

On windows at least, I almost always use &#x27;alt+space; x&#x27; to maximise windows, as well as winkey+left&#x2F;right&#x2F;up&#x2F;down, which is really the only resizing I do.  Having to use the mouse is a pain.

Curious, how do you resize windows instead?

i haven&#x27;t resized a window with a mouse in almost a decade

MetroUI in Windows 8 was pretty universally panned. I thought it was pretty good on tablets and such, but it left a lot to be desired on desktops and hid a lot of functionality, it went too mobile for a lot of people&#x27;s tastes.Disclaimer: I was one of the dozens who used a windows phone. The Nokia Lumia 920 was great, you can fight me.

Windows 8 featured a notable paradigm shift from a menuing launcher (click start, programs, then the program you want, as an example), to a full screen launcher (Think Android and iOS). And also switched from floating windows (The default for most Linux distros and for Mac AFAIK) to rudimentary tiling windows (Think Android and iOS)<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RuuqEZnvEoU?t=30" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RuuqEZnvEoU?t=30</a>

from my own personal experience, Vista was very slow and buggy at launch, but it did get better over time

Apple had one of the most successful and known ad campaigns &quot;I&#x27;m a mac and I&#x27;m a PC&quot; ridiculing Windows Vista, they pretty much summed it up in those.Getting to Windows 11 today, they have ads in the Start menu. Not exactly appealing to the Apple crowd…

Microsoft&#x27;s Copilot AI software has been integrated in every corner of the operating system, from the start menu to the notepad to settings. Beyond the intrusiveness of it, it also does not work very well. Other AI mishaps include Recall, which takes screenshots of your desktop every so often, and the original version of Recall stored these in an unencrypted, insecure database.On top of that, the OS feels more bloated and disorganized than ever, with something like six different UI frameworks all present in various spots on the OS; system settings are scattered across the Settings app (new) and various legacy panels like Control Panel and Network Connections.What else... Microsoft now requires an online connection and Microsoft account to sign in to your PC; no more local-only accounts allowed.I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s more I&#x27;m missing. It&#x27;s not a pleasant operating system.

Windows 8 was when Microsoft tried to cater more towards Windows-on-tablet use cases. Which lead to everyone, including desktop users, having a fullscreen phone-style app menu take the place of the old start menu. This, for desktop use, is obviously quite disruptive and was hated by everyone.They addressed most issues in the 8.1 update, like a year later I think.

Off the top of my head: Windows Vista was slow and unstable on a lot of hardware of the time due to significantly higher system requirements than XP and a new display driver model that worked poorly at first, had a very polarizing look, and had quite overbearing UAC -- where XP would just let you do the thing, Vista would ask you three times if you&#x27;re really really sure you wanted to authorize it.It had decent bones though -- arguably a lot of its bad reputation was due to hardware&#x2F;third party driver issues and people trying to run it on old hardware that just couldn&#x27;t hack it. Windows 7 was well received and is basically the same thing with small improvements and some of the UX issues smoothed over (i.e. less annoying UAC)

The Vista comparison is unfair. I think a lot of the bad rap Vista got was from trying to run it on underpowered hardware thanks to marketing XP-era machines as &quot;Windows Vista Capable&quot;. I actually ran it on good HW (the kind that could run Crysis) and I didn&#x27;t have anything bad to say.Yes, UAC could be considered as annoyance by some but it&#x27;s no different than &quot;sudo&quot; on single-user Linux machines and we seemingly have no problems with that (I wish we&#x27;d move on past that because it is damn annoying and offers no security benefit).Comparing Vista to modern macOS is insulting. Vista didn&#x27;t have that level of jank and the UIs were actually quite good, consistent and with reasonable information density, unlike &quot;System Settings&quot; or shitty Catalyst apps.

Vista had the right direction, Windows 7 merely continued on it and it became one of the best operating systems ever.Windows 8 design wasn&#x27;t bad per se, but they shipped the start screen when it lacks even the most basic features, so you&#x27;ll return to legacy desktop the moment you want to do anything.I don&#x27;t think any of them are like Tahoe TBH.

Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven&#x27;t used windows? All i can recall from &quot;vista&quot; is that it looked good

The Tiger to Snow Leopard era was fantastic. Things were simple and worked.There was also a great boutique apps ecosystem.Right now, it seems that macOS is going through its enshittification phase, sadly.

Maybe you didn’t catch this yet, but Apple pulled their latest iOS 18.7.3 update and they seem to only promote iOS 26 now. They really want everyone off iOS 18 :&#x2F;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;zakdoffman&#x2F;2026&#x2F;01&#x2F;07&#x2F;hundreds-of-millions-of-iphones-now-affected-by-apples-new-update&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;zakdoffman&#x2F;2026&#x2F;01&#x2F;07&#x2F;hundreds-...</a>

Same I&#x27;m on iOS 26 and it&#x27;s reasonably bad but I figured I might as well pull of the band-aid and have app compatibility.I can&#x27;t see a single reason to upgrade to Tahoe. We&#x27;ll see what 2026 brings.

&gt; Still on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (Sequoia). I was a day one upgrader up until now, never had any regrets but this time things seemed very different.I&#x27;ve tried and returned the iPhone 17 Pro. Love the hardware (especially the camera), but iOS 26 is inefficient (for lack of a better term), and the new camera UI hides too many things.

I am also HODLing Sequoia. Started using a Mac 2024.(Hold On for Dear Life)

My phone updated on me and yesterday it took me 10 minutes to figure out how to listen to my voice mail. Like seriously, how do we go from clicking on the name calling to clicking on the name to see the voicemail left by that specific caller and no others

Upgrading to iOS 26 was a mistake.  All the slow, distracting UI features that only makes the iPhone feel like some slow Android phone is really not an &quot;upgrade&quot; in any reasonable sense of the word.

My HN comment history shows I&#x27;ve been worried about macOS for quite a while now, too. I&#x27;m a bit less optimistic than you, but I hope you&#x27;re right. I&#x27;d really prefer to be wrong.macOS has been an incredible productive OS for me since I was 15. I&#x27;m now 39. In the last few years is the first time in that period that I&#x27;ve seriously begun to wonder if it would be wise to get off the platform. I&#x27;ve already dropped iOS, watchOS (Garmins are actually amazing these days, for what it&#x27;s worth), and iPadOS. I still use macOS daily along with tvOS when I happen to watch something, but the days seem numbered now. I&#x27;m pretty disappointed. I hope it turns around, but I&#x27;m slowly preparing myself to be on Linux primarily.

Not to beat on my own drum but as a mac convert from the days of Tiger I saw the writing on the wall from miles away.Still on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (Sequoia). I was a day one upgrader up until now, never had any regrets but this time things seemed very different.It&#x27;s worrisome but all is not lost, I&#x27;ll start sweating for real if next year&#x27;s releases don&#x27;t improve things substantially.

I fell down the Nix hole this weekend, getting my corp Mac and my SteamOS Legion Go sharing a config. My corp device is a 5k iMac Pro that is going to be kicked off of the network when ARM-only Tahoe becomes mandatory later this year.I work at Google, which issued a Gubuntu workstation by default when I joined. I exchanged it for a Mac, which I&#x27;ve spent a literal lifetime using, because I didn&#x27;t wanna fall down a Linux tinkering hole trying to make Gubuntu feel like home. Every corp device I&#x27;ve had has been a Mac.I&#x27;m reading this from a coffee shop. On my walk here, I was idly wondering if I should give Glinux (as its now called) a try when I&#x27;m forced to replace the iMac. SteamOS is making Linux my default environment in the same way Mac was for decades prior.

&gt; not to mention we&#x27;re seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.[[citation needed]], benchmarks please, incl battery life, not promises. &quot;We are seeing&quot; implies reality

Linux isn&#x27;t in position regarding display&#x2F;UI. It doesn&#x27;t handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland&#x2F;X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently).Let&#x27;s not even talk about the case when you have monitors that have different DPI, something that is handled seamlessly by MacOS, unlike Linux where it feels like a d20 roll depending on your distro.I expect most desktop MacOS users to have a HiDPI screen in 2026 (it&#x27;s just...better), so going to Linux may feel like a serious downgrade, or at least a waste of time if you want to get every config &quot;right&quot;. I wish it was differently, honestly - the rest of the OS is great, and the diversity between distros is refreshing.

Tahoe is uniquely bad in so many ways, so I tried the Asahi Fedora Remix with Gnome on my M2 Mac Mini. Aesthetically I was more attracted to Gnome, it feels like what we lost with Tahoe. Tahoe to me feels like a really chopped Android skin or something. I made it a few weeks on the Fedora Remix but ended up having to switch back to Mac over missing webcam drivers and other random hardware issues. Plus there’s little OS things that Mac does that make it really hard to go elsewhere.

Yeah, and gaming aside from anti-cheat isn&#x27;t a broken mess anymore either. Valve has made sure of that.

Linux doesn&#x27;t have much in the way of quality apps for people who aren&#x27;t programmers, server administrators, or gamers.Most people want to get productive work done with their computer, and OS X has top tier apps for every need possible.No good e-mail app, no good office apps, no good calendar app, no good invoicing app, no good photo editing app, no good designer app, etc

No, it is not. Apple went down to the same level of Linux, not Linux that became as good as Apple.Unfortunately today it is a race to the bottom.

In the Hacker News bubble, maybe. In the real world, not even close. The reasons why many a person chooses to use macOS, outside of the &quot;YoU bUy It FoR ThE lOgO&quot; that many hard-core technologists seem to believe, don&#x27;t exist in any desktop environment.Sometimes, people think &quot;it can be made to look similar, therefore it&#x27;s the same&quot; (especially with regard to KDE), and no, just no.

This year&#x27;s too early, but next year for sure.

Windows has a much better chance, alongside WSL, even with all its warts than Linux.GNU&#x2F;Linux isn&#x27;t sold in shops like macOS and Windows for regular consumers, until it goes out from DYI and online ordering, it will remain a niche desktop system.

&quot;Linux is finally in this position&quot; is a meme at this point.

&gt; Yes, but Linux is finally in that positionI&#x27;ve heard that for almost 20 years now, but it never was.

&gt; Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers.Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we&#x27;re seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

Yes, you can install any version of macOS that was ever supported for your Mac. (It’s been a long time since they used System Enablers.) I’m so frustrated with Tahoe that I’m about to do this.

&gt; &quot;I wish I didn’t.”Can&#x27;t you do a factory reset&#x2F;recovery on Mac that lands on the version of macos shipped with the device? Then you could re-upgrade to the os you wanted, without trying it it seems Sequoia is still available in the app store

Thanks for the advise. I have not upgraded, and have no plan to.

Only because those aren’t required for account centralization, advertising in the main OS menu, or AI “features”.

It&#x27;s also for a rather unbelievable reason --- if your GPU is not &quot;powerful enough&quot;, you don&#x27;t get rounded corners by default.You read that right: apparently rounded corners are so resource-intensive that if you don&#x27;t have or disable GPU acceleration, they&#x27;ll disappear.As much as I absolutely hate rounded corners in general, it&#x27;s astonishing the apparent inefficiency with which MS have implemented them. Then again, mediocrity seems to be par for the course with their developers: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28743687">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28743687</a>

At least on Windows 11 it’s possible to disable the rounded corners.

When the iOS 26 video player first leaked, I thought to myself, this has to be some kind of April 1st joke or a knock-off smear campaign or something. Nope, Apple did really half-assed their entire iOS to the ground.

first time i used tahoe to help a friend w&#x2F; their laptop i legit thought it was like a knockoff macos or something, genuinely the ugliest macos version and even in the brief time that i&#x27;ve used it, i&#x27;ve encountered annoying bugs, QC at apple is dead lowkey

Interesting. This is exactly the problem I&#x27;ve begun to have on my 14&quot; M2 MB Air. I&#x27;m on 15.7.3. The issue started with 15.7.1.Here I&#x27;ve been thinking it&#x27;s a hardware problem, like some sort of mechanical intermittent. Maybe not.

Focus stealing has been an issue in windowed multi-tasking environments from the beginning. It&#x27;s certainly been an issue in all macOS&#x2F;OS X versions I&#x27;ve used since I started in 2011.

&gt; how am I suppose to make it &quot;more constructive&quot;?Obviously by shutting the hell up, you ungrateful serf. The beatings will continue until morale improves.Seriously, though, if you want this to stop, people like you are going to have to start voting with their wallets.I finally pulled the plug on macOS a couple years ago for Linux, and I haven&#x27;t been unhappy about it. However, I did make a point of buying a laptop that was well supported on Linux (a Lenovo X1 Carbon that was in the same price class as an equivalent Mac).

I appreciate your frustration, but at the same time what is Apple supposed to do? If it&#x27;s affecting only a tiny number of users, and you just happen to be an unlucky one, and they don&#x27;t know how to reproduce it, and you can&#x27;t help them reproduce it, then what? I think they just have to wait until somebody (such as yourself) is able to figure out with some kind of logging what is happening. E.g. the first question to answer is probably what actually gets the focus, if anything? To produce a bug report that at least suggests which area of code might be responsible.I had a similar problem at one point, then finally figured out it was when I accidentally hit the fn button which triggered the emoji picker window and moved focus to it (IIRC), but it was off-screen because I&#x27;d previously used it on a secondary monitor. Reconnecting the monitor and moving the window back to my primary display fixed it. (Obviously, it&#x27;s a bug to show a picker window outside of visible coordinates, and I think it got fixed eventually.)But it also might not be Apple at all, if it&#x27;s some third-party background utility with a bug. E.g. if that were happening to me, my first thought would be that it might be a Logitech bug or a Karabiner-Elements bug. Uninstalling any non-Apple background processes or utilities seems like a necessary first step.

I wonder whether this could be a touchpad malfunction, causing phantom clicks that move focus. To diagnose, you could temporarily disable it and use an external mouse.

Random possibility - if you have Bartender installed, it&#x27;s buggy as shit on Tahoe, and has some really weird stuff it does with hiding the cursor and otherwise changing the focus around. I haven&#x27;t switched off yet because the alternatives don&#x27;t anywhere near as much functionality, but I probably will at some point soon, because while the updates have made it somewhat better it&#x27;s still a pretty terrible experience at times.

Delinia does this currently (I don’t think the fix is public yet).You can run a python script to track the focused window every few seconds to identify what’s stealing focus.

I have no information to add, but I also have started experiencing this after “upgrading” to Tahoe. Never was a problem before.

The support pages are not for you to contact Apple. They are there for users to help other users. The cynical person would say they are there to get unpaid labor from other users so Apple can spend less on support.If you want to report something to Apple you use the &quot;Feedback Assistant App&quot;

I have experienced the same, and still have no idea what is going on.Especially annoying when every app is likely to have single-key shortcuts which end up being accidentally triggered.

I had this, it was our company&#x27;s security software prompting an update (Admin by Request) that was getting hidden. An update to that software and the latest tahoe update seems to have resolved that issue.

That is incidentally one of the many papercuts that are widely accepted in Windows, but never were a problem on a mac.Don’t try to interact with a windows desktop while it is still booting up. Better to wait for everything to settle down, otherwise apps will constantly snatch away focus and your typing will go into random applications.

I looked into this and the issue is the inbuilt SecurityAgent briefly taking focus. For me I believe it’s related to some management setting our company has added not getting on with Tahoe.

My MacBook is corporate, and it&#x27;s therefore loaded with a ton of corporate auto-update, VPN and apparently questionnaire software. Stuff pops up at the most annoying times. And sometimes, indeed it takes focus away from the thing I&#x27;m currently typing. Extremely annoying.But apparently Apple is not the only offender. Just as I was typing this (on Harmonic on Android), a popup popped up, ate a few of the characters I typed and disappeared again. No idea what it said. Why do people do this? Don&#x27;t hijack let applications I didn&#x27;t ask for hijack my input.

Dont get me started on the number of times Signal&#x2F;formerly Skype opened up a dialog in-the-midst of me typing and me accidentally accepting a call because i happened to write &#x27;space&#x27; at that moment in time

Tahoe made at least one undocumented change to timer events in the GUI. This resulted in a difficult to debug problem in solvespace. I suspect we were doing something &quot;wrong&quot; and had to correct it, but the fact remains they made a change to how some GUI events work and didn&#x27;t tell anyone.

By chance are you using any Logitech stuff? I have a similar issue and narrowed it down to one of the Logi Options taking focus away randomly.

Do you have a logitech mouse? If so you need to reinstall the logi and&#x2F;or G Hub apps. The cert changed and that&#x27;s what&#x27;s causing it to fail and keep grabbing focus away. Incredibly strange bug.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.logi.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;37493733117847-Options-and-G-HUB-macOS-Certificate-Issue" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.logi.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;37493733117847-Op...</a>

I updated to iPadOS 26 on my iPad Pro, opened Safari, and tried to log into a website. For some reason the full-screen keyboard didn&#x27;t load, all I could get was a miniature thing that floated on the left part of the screen (like the two-handed layout but with the full keyboard in one half, like typing on an iPhone 5s).The memes about Steve Jobs turning in his grave are true. He would not have stood for slop like this for even a moment. Apple&#x27;s quality game was miles higher back in the day.Even if they tried to do some kind of Snow Leopard maintenance release for all of their products, I don&#x27;t think they could raise the bar on quality high enough in just a single release. They&#x27;d have to do it a few times with nothing new to show for it.This speaks nothing of the transition to MacOS looking more and more like a dysfunctional toy since Jony Ive left and Alan Dye took over.Tiger and Snow Leopard were the peak.

If only Stevesie was still here to roll some heads :(

&gt; One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing.So its not just me!

I&#x27;ve been troubleshooting this on and off since early December.There&#x27;s a handy Python script here to show log which application is stealing focus:
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;superuser.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;874314" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;superuser.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;874314</a>If you find it&#x27;s SecurityAgent then you might be hitting this bug:
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;forums&#x2F;thread&#x2F;807112" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;forums&#x2F;thread&#x2F;807112</a>I suspect it&#x27;s related to a JIT privilege management app my company uses.

I had the same issue, and in my case it turned out it was caused by Logitech G Hub which was running in the background. I uninstalled it and did not experience the issue again. My suggestion is to check any background process that might be doing that.

Oh decent timing, this happened to me first time today, I even looked down at the track pad to see if my hand was close enough to accidentally swipe it because I felt it wasn&#x27;t

One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can&#x27;t stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn&#x27;t even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comments for being &quot;non-constructive&quot;. This is some random bug, and many people have complained about it, how am I suppose to make it &quot;more constructive&quot;? Send them the exact configuration of constellations, the number of monitors I use and their positioning angles, log the keyboard rate and delay, the latency, the level of magnetic interference caused by my Bluetooth devices, etc.?

I don&#x27;t like all the changes either, but I just opened the contacts app and started typing a name and it showed me exactly what I expected--several of my contacts with the name I typed. iOS 26.2.

I had to upgrade my iPhone to iOS 26 to setup my watch. I wish I had never done it. Nothing is where it&#x27;s supposed to be from a UI perspective. Stuff breaks often. I can&#x27;t use my contact search bar to search contacts. It only searches past calls. What the hell.

&gt; I find the lifecycle of Apple products to be offensively short, also.Apple is miles ahead of Android when it comes to phones and tablets, most in the Android ecosystem is e-waste four or five years in, while Apple stuff can still be re-sold for actual money at that time assuming you didn&#x27;t bust your screen.For laptops, Apple is so far ahead it can&#x27;t even be described. Most Windows laptops physically break apart before macOS ceases to support any Apple laptop.Only thing we can maybe talk about is desktop PCs ever since the switch to M that basically made meaningful upgrades impossible, but eh, in my attic there&#x27;s a 2009 Mac Pro still chugging along as my homelab server + gaming rig.

I personally hold Swift and SwiftUI responsible, as Apple has increasingly adopted them in its own products. Moreover, by introducing frameworks that are exclusive to Swift, the company effectively compels developers to use this rather mediocre language.

I have a fully functional iPad mini for my kids that only supports iOS 12. I can barely install or use any software though because it&#x27;s not supported on such an old OS.

Apple software has noticeably declined from my experience, both iOS and macOS. I find the lifecycle of Apple products to be offensively short, also.If I buy a product and the hardware is good for 10 years (because I looked after it), I expect the software to also run just as well as when I purchased it - that is the case with Linux, why isn&#x27;t it the case with macOS?Every year the software upgrades invariably degrade system performance. Outrageous.

&gt; if the new intel processor can compete on battery life with mac I might go back to linux.Unfortunately Intel is cutting down their Linux involvement so I wouldn&#x27;t have high hopes for it. Newer AMD laptops are probably on par with Intel on Linux now.

I agree. This is the first time I regret updating macOs.I hoped the .1 or .2 would fix things, but I&#x27;m still seeing glitches and even random freezes.Microsoft is a disaster right now, but if the new intel processor can compete on battery life with mac I might go back to linux.

&gt; Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista.Other than that weird resize thing written about here (which I didn&#x27;t notice, thanks SizeUp for providing me with hotkeys remarkably similar to Windows) - why? Vista and 8 were immediately obvious changes in the UI, but in general it still looks and feels just like macOS has for well over a decade now.New icons, new fonts, but... that&#x27;s it?Oh and HyperSwitch for some reason can&#x27;t switch to Finder windows any more, but that&#x27;s probably because HyperSwitch hasn&#x27;t seen an upgrade in years...

I switched from Windows 11 to macOS after a disastrous upgrade experience and drastic downgrade in performance on my Windows laptop.I mean Windows 10 wasn&#x27;t great but I got used to the taskbar searching the web somehow and the dual config menus everywhere and so on. But 11 was just terrible.macOS has its pain points but man oh man what a disaster Windows is.I have had Linux on my personal desktop and laptop forever so that hasn&#x27;t been an issue, only used Windows for work.

I agree. I have been kind of an Apple fanboy but the Tahoe thing is one of the worst products to come out of the company. I really think people should be fired for releasing this.This is akin to MobileMe -<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cultofmac.com&#x2F;apple-history&#x2F;steve-jobs-mobileme-email" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cultofmac.com&#x2F;apple-history&#x2F;steve-jobs-mobileme-...</a>

Unfortunately for Apple, Linux has not rotted the same way that macOS has. Will Linux win the desktop wars through attrition because it won&#x27;t suffer the same enshittification as for-profit software?If it wasn&#x27;t for Apple Silicon and its stellar impact on battery life, I&#x27;d be gone. iOS 26 might make it happen anyway!

I hope so, Tahoe seems particularly bad, but the downhill slide has been happening for several releases.

The M4 I bought last month shipped without Tahoe and hasn’t been updated. If you can get one which isn’t already upgraded, you can leave it on the better release as long as Sequoia was ever supported on that generation.

I was in the market for a new MBP (still on my 2015 MBP). After all of these articles and reports of how terrible Tahoe is, I’m holding off.I’m hoping they’ll wake up and fix this with the next release, but I’m not super optimistic.We’ll see.

Staying with Sequoia and iOS 18 for as long as I can.

2026 is the year of nothing on the desktop so may as well pick Linux.

2026 is the year of the shitty desktop OSes.

Tried Linux (Omachy) recently and the mouse pointer drops frames or chokes movement under load. Just can&#x27;t use an OS that does that full stop.

Linux’s value proposition would have to be “Everything’s different learning curve yada yada but it’s so clean and well done users will see the light” Meanwhile run ps on an Ubuntu desktop. The same process bloat and shit that ruined Windows and macOS. Linux is a mess, almost by design.

Linux is the worst desktop we have, except for all the others..

Apple&#x27;s worst release in years (maybe ever), Microsoft&#x27;s worst release in years (maybe ever), meanwhile mainstream Linux UX has been taking baby steps forward on a nearly-daily basis for a decade straight.I&#x27;m not saying 2026 is the year, but...

Not OP, but there are plenty of minor annoyances (I had the &quot;pleasure&quot; of upgrading my work laptop to Tahoe) :- Apple Music requires one more click to pop the multiplayer, UI is worse and the click hitbox for the progress seek bar is too small- Volume +&#x2F;- now acts like a notification (top-right corner of screen and clickable). Horrible design decision (gets in the way of browser tabs)- The &quot;A &gt; B &gt; C&quot; folder thingy at the bottom of Finder windows is gone, and the tabs&#x27; styling looks unsettling- Weather (and Stocks, to a lesser degree) looks worse, lots of space wasted

&gt;Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista.Are you just saying that because it has new glassy windows and is a resource hog? What is that different about Tahoe vs Sequoia?

though use linux is in a great state. tahoe and windows are really bad right now and i don&#x27;t regret moving to linux even a little bit.

oof. i&#x27;ll be holding off after seeing all this. already have to deal with adobe&#x27;s bad updates

The most annoying part about it is they won&#x27;t admit the obvious colossal mistake and fix it.I&#x27;ve blocked Apple&#x27;s update servers via &#x2F;etc&#x2F;hosts so this monstrous thing doesn&#x27;t sneak onto my machine in the middle of the night, still happily on Sequoia.

When I saw the first liquid glass demo I decided not to upgrade both my phone and macbook for couple of years to come till they fix it.

Yeah, for me with a USB headset, the audio will go noisy about two minutes into a video &#x2F; podcast. It clears up if I restart and doesn&#x27;t happen when playing to the internal speakers.

The worst part is the audiocore substack that is glitching. I waited to major subversions to upgrade and still got bit. I hate this.

same here. still running on the previous version on all devices. Gonna sit this out ...

I still think Alan Dye was secretly fired. When you live in a bubble and everybody around you is propping you up, you think everything is fine and dandy, but users don&#x27;t care about your or anybody&#x27;s feelings.Dye didn&#x27;t bring something that users didn&#x27;t know they needed, he brought chaos to the entire ecosystem, and he&#x27;s the only Apple executive folks are willing to talk garbage about.

Given the departure of Alan Dye and his replacement with someone (whose name I have temporarily forgotten) who comes from an actual UI design background, I am very optimistic that the next few iterations of macOS and iOS will actually start to improve the UI situation.

The M1 hurt their future hardware sales, as now, 5 years later, it remains a viable machine. The M1 MacBook Air has become a bit of a meme.

similar here, i bought refurb m3 mbp last nov just to get pre-tahoe

Tahoe actually harms their hardware sales. I would normally upgrade to the latest MacBook Pro as soon as they become available, but I know that the next M5 generation will come with Tahoe installed and I intend to keep my current machine for as long as I can…

I regret dearly the upgrade as well. I&#x27;ve turned a beautiful $3500 hardware into a close to Windows Vista machine that frustrates me daily. Just looking at it kills my productivity instantly, I just use full screen for all my apps now.

I would love linux on Apple hardware. Lots of people would, I suspect.I guess Apple has realized that their hardware is so good that they don&#x27;t have to worry about the software anymore.

&gt; Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers.Yes, because my apple hardware does not run properly with any other operating system. I would have switched to linux a while ago otherwise.

&gt; Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows VistaNot even close.It&#x27;s taken a few steps in the wrong direction, but nothing compaered to the user-hostility of Win8 (attempting to move users from &#x27;real Windows&#x27; into locked-down dumbed-down touch-centric mobile-like app store hell), let alone Win11 (creating an e-waste mountain, then pushing AI slop into everything)

Just to be playful, Tahoe killed the launchpad and brought us the random size rounded corner madness.

Tahoe is a bit shit, yes. But I was there for both Vista and Windows 8 and they were both utterly unusable.Vista ate every bit of RAM it could find, had severe driver issues and riddled with instabilities. It would not run on half the hardware at the time. I faintly remember a DX10 shitshow as well. And 8 hopelessly tried to apply Metro to the desktop and added a third (or was it forth?) settings panel. Also killed the Start menu.

I am still on Sequoia and dont plan to move to Tahoe.

There has to be work done. Each sprint, new FEATURES must be completed.Features, people, FEATURES.

Because if you don&#x27;t make periodic cosmetic changes, people will think you&#x27;re going out of business.It&#x27;s why your favorite shoe company, that you buy from every 2-3 years when you wear out your favorite shoes, always has new styles and discontinues other styles. Converse is a great example.

Good design should be timeless. For example, I like wat Leica did for their M serie cameras. At a certain point they decided that the design was done, and stopped messing around. For that you need leadership with good taste, because designers will always design.

Managers are incentivized to do things to the real world that show up as &quot;• Led implementation of [bla]&quot; on their resume.It&#x27;s more effort to do things that also make sense than only to produce the bullet point.

I don&#x27;t understand why Apple change things needlessly. What other purpose does it serve? How does this positively affect the bottom line? How does it improve life for Apple&#x27;s users? Breaking basic interaction with windows purely because someone feels we should waste more screen real-estate on ornamentation by having bigger radius rounded corners is, for lack of a better word, stupid.I&#x27;d like Apple to focus more on the things that actually matter to users. To fix bugs, to work on performance, to simplify things rather than complicate them. Focus on making it a better platform for doing work and less a playground for pointless fiddling with design and sloppiness.

When I read the welcome screen which includes the &quot;hit features&quot;, all I remember was&quot;You can change your icons!&quot; - What? Was that the big issue of my day? (Although, after I saw what they had done to them, it certainly loomed larger in my mind)and&quot;Notification summaries that may be incorrect&quot;Miserable. Won&#x27;t be upgrading the personal computer, am fast moving away from Apple as a whole, am telling others not to upgrade for as long as possible.

I&#x27;m as picky as the next guy, but I&#x27;m not seeing Tahoe being THAT BAD. I was holding off, but various events led to me buying a new laptop so I got it by default.Resizing isn&#x27;t great, but it&#x27;s also deeply shitty in Win 11. I feel like window manager thought leadership has failed across the board, but the regression isn&#x27;t that big of a deal in day to day usage, and is definitely not unique to Apple.

I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s pure nostalgia but I long back to the &quot;Lion era&quot; of OS X.Apple had a HIG and third party developers used it. Different apps looked consistent: toolbar, sidebar etc.Apps had borders. If there was too much content there were big blue scrollbars.Buttons had borders. Windows had texture. You could find stuff.I could go on forever. But the OS was simultaneously better visible to the eye, and less visible to the mind. Stuff worked.

And that&#x27;s exactly why I&#x27;m waiting for the 27 series to upgrade.

&gt; iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bitsOr iOS 8 and 9 did revert back a lot of iOS 7 changes.I am not against changing UI, but it seems every time they are doing it they forgot all the lesson learned from previous attempt, and in such short period of time suggest they haven&#x27;t learned anything.

Windows vista was a good OS. Windows 7 was vista with a new skin. People were just really dumb and didn’t realise vista needed new drivers and when 7 came out all the drivers were written so stuff worked and for some reason it made people think 7 was good and vista was bad.

Regarding the window manager and Finder; I had a better experience with the Windows equivalents way back on Windows 2k or even Windows 98 more than quarter century ago. Truly baffling.

I have maybe unpopular opinion, but Apple always been terrible in UX.Just to give a few examples which annoys me the most:- Finder. It just something else. After 10 years of using OSX I still can’t figure out how to use it efficiently for selecting the path - this experience is different every time, depending on the context where Finder was called from. I just don’t get.- Lack of the true tiling window manager experience. Yes, there is Yabai, but it still suck due to the fact that you can’t have truly independent spaces each with individual layout and stack of windows.- Infamous Magic Mouse’s charting port at the bottom.I just wish I could have normal Linux natively on MB Pro.

I wonder if they&#x27;ll show charts of how few people have upgraded in the same way they mocked Windows 10 adoption and Android versions a few years ago at the Keynote, to rapturous applause. I for one am staying on Sequoia as the OS looks like a children&#x27;s toy on Tahoe.

I do hope things turn around, but having to wait until September is going to be painful.

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.”Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers.Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Another thing to add to the list of reasons why I&#x27;m not upgrading.

Ah yes, the classic Apple move of hiding basic functionality behind obscure shortcuts. Thanks for the tip.

Nice - I didn&#x27;t know about that one!I just found out today that hovering over the green traffic light icon shows an arrange menu... but the &quot;maximize&quot; option there leaves some padding on all sides of the window - weird.I swear by <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rectangleapp.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rectangleapp.com&#x2F;</a> - same outcome but with keyboard shortcuts instead of the mouse.

FWIW: option double click sny corner to make any window full-screen without going into full screen mode.Double click any side or corner to move it to the edge of the screen, and hold down option to make the effect symmetric.

That&#x27;s genuine 2000s Linux experience there. Ironic that these days Linux provides a more refined and consistent UX than both MacOS and Windows.

I laughed at the animation quite hard - it’s the perfect analogy for the issue at hand!

The graphic actually helped me a lot to understand why you have to touch things to grab them, seeing as I am a 2-day-old baby.

That was a sensible chuckle indeed... but then it also made me realize that grabbing things IRL _moves_ them, not _resizes_ them. Nothing IRL really resizes.So while it makes a lot of sense to grab inside the object to move it, IMO it actually makes less sense to grab _inside_ the object to resize it. (Imagine the reverse argument -- IRL you can actually grab the middle of the plate to move it, but if grabbing the middle of the window resized it, that would also be very bad.)I&#x27;ve been trained to grab the edge to resize windows. So I wouldn&#x27;t try to reach so far inside the rounded rectangle as OP, although it doesn&#x27;t invalidate their entire argument.

I especially liked the part with the hand trying to grab the plate.  Perfect imagery.

It&#x27;s funny. one of the most significant UI axioms I ever learned came from Bill Atkinson: &quot;Always make the &#x27;click zone&#x27; a little larger than the visual indication of the affordance.&quot; This becomes tricky or impossible for some things like touch-keypads, but for most things it makes the difference between frustrating and magical.Apple seems to have forgotten its own innovations.

&gt; This post is very well presentedI suspect you must be very careful, overwhelmingly complete and understandable presenting this kind of stuff.otherwise:- if it isn&#x27;t, the post might be buried in drama.- or else, the post will be another obscure warning that nobody sees.for me, I noticed after the ios 26 &quot;upgrade&quot; I must continually forget, then repair my bluetooth devices. But I don&#x27;t have the benefit of a clearly understandable article that calls apple out.

This post is very well presented and it highlights how absolutely bizarre the latest update was. The video demonstration was also very well done.I remember a few years ago, people complained when Apple merely made the entire operating system uglier. (Something about a gradient on the battery?) A lot of people would talk hyperbolically (&quot;apple KILLED macos!&quot;), and that&#x27;s indistinguishable to an outsider when an update like this brings other people out of the woodwork to say, &quot;Hey, these changes are genuinely bizarre and absurd, what happened?&quot;

&gt; compared to AI and servicesIt&#x27;s probably the services (Care, iCloud, Music, and even TV), Apple&#x27;s AI isn&#x27;t on the overall map at all compared to the competition.

A lot of Apple&#x27;s services revenue is Apple Store mobile games, AIUI.

He will prevent it from getting much worse than it would have under another decade of Dye, but I don&#x27;t think he can totally reverse the trend.I think this is just what happens to companies as they get older. Most of the people who pioneered the Human Interface Guidelines aren&#x27;t at the company anymore, and management doesn&#x27;t see much financial growth in Mac sales compared to AI and services.

Thanks for the first hand insights. Do you know if much has changed in the past 18 years since your tenure there?

Thanks for this interesting read.I’m asking you to judge people’s state of mind here, which is near impossible, but please bear with me…&gt; Several team members paid dearly in emotional abuse under Steve and decided to leave rather than deal with the environment post Steve&#x27;s death.Normally during an event like this there is a change in culture as well which I think we have seen under Cook. So why did they assume that the abusive situation would continue? Jobs was generally known to be harsh to the point of abusive, but if the situation did not change on his death maybe the abuse was equal parts cultural rather than just from the CEO, so why not leave earlier?

The mess of Tahoe didn&#x27;t just happen on the watch of Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, Eddy Cue, Phil Schiller, it happened because of them.Tim Cook has no taste and no sense of quality. He merely counts beans really well. Craig Federighi is responsible for the most precipitous drop in Apple&#x27;s software quality since the late 80s and early 90s. Eddy Cue is responsible for some of Apple&#x27;s worst software (music, iCloud, services), and Phil Schiller… what exactly does he do again?

I worked on Finder&#x2F;TimeMachine&#x2F;Spotlight&#x2F;iOS at Apple from 2000-2007. I worked closely with Bas Ording, Stephen Lemay, Marcel van Os, Imran Chaudry, Don Lindsey and Greg Christie. I have no experience with any of the designers who arrived in the post-Steve era. During my time, Jony Ive didn&#x27;t figure prominently in the UI design, although echoes of his industrial design appeared in various ways in the graphic design of the widgets. Kevin Tiene and Scott Forstall had more influence for better or worse, extreme skeumorphism for example.The UX group would present work to Steve J. every Thursday and Steve quickly passed judgement often harshly and without a lot of feedback, leading to even longer meetings afterward to try and determine course corrections. Steve J. and Bas were on the same wavelength and a lot of what Bas would show had been worked on directly with Steve before hand. Other things would be presented for the first time, and Steve could be pretty harsh. Don, Greg, Scott, Kevin would push back and get abused, but they took the abuse and could make in-roads.Here is my snapshot of Stephen from the time. He presented the UI ideas for the intial tabbed window interface in Safari. He had multiple design ideas and Steve dismissed them quickly and harshly. Me recollection was that Steve said something like No, next, worse, next, even worse, next, no. Why don&#x27;t you come back next week with something better. Stephen didn&#x27;t push back, say much, just went ok and that was that. I think Greg was the team manager at the time and pushed Steve for more input and maybe got some. This was my general observation of how Stephen was over 20 years ago.I am skeptical and doubtful about Stephen&#x27;s ability to make a change unless he is facilitated greatly by someone else or has somehow changed drastically. The fact that he has been on the team while the general opinion of Apple UX quality has degraded to the current point of the Tahoe disaster is telling. Several team members paid dearly in emotional abuse under Steve and decided to leave rather than deal with the environment post Steve&#x27;s death. Stephen is a SJ-era original and should have been able to push hard against what many of us perceive as very poor decisons. He either agreed with those decisions, or did not, and choose to go with the flow and enjoy the benefits of working at Apple. This is fine I guess. Many people are just fine going with the flow and not rocking the boat. It may be even easier when you have Apple-level comp and benefits.My opinon; unless Stephen gets a very strong push from other forces, I don&#x27;t see that he has the will or fortitude to make the changes that he himself has approved in one way or another. Who will push him? Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, Eddy Cue, Phil Schiller? The perceived mess of Tahoe happened on the watch of all of these Apple leaders.

Lemay&#x27;s appointment was widely celebrated, but he&#x27;d been at apple since 1999 and never got the gig. My guess is that there are valid reasons for that that may not be design-related.

Does anyone know if Stephen Lemay replacing Dye will potentially &quot;save&quot; the increasing mess that is OSX, at least UX wise, or is it more of a meaningless figurehead swap in a big org?Tahoe is tragically bad by almost every UX measure, and following various Apple subreddits i wonder if they just don&#x27;t care anymore - since the majority of people are shocked by the amateurishness of both bugs and design choices in the latest update - this comes on top of literally every major bug being ignored from the alpha to releasing anyway then continuing to ignore feedback.

Thanks for going to the effort!&gt; everything remained the same except for the visual presentation of the cornerThis either seems very well-researched change, or very shallow one.

&gt;It seems then that basically everything remained the same except for the visual presentation of the corner.Which just goes to show how holistic design is utterly lacking. They seem to think just swapping bitmaps is &quot;UI redesign&quot;.

&gt; Of the regions in the article, which bring window focusJust did a quick test in a VM, and it seems all of them. I.e. if you could resize the window, clicking that space (even if empty) brings it into focus. But then I also tested on Sequoia and the same happens.It seems then that basically everything remained the same except for the visual presentation of the corner.

Question for people who have installed Tahoe. Of the regions in the article, which bring window focus &#x2F; key window? Is it area clipped to the round rect? Or is it similarly weird?If there was a background window in that area outside the corner, would it receive the click event?

Never noticed this change, but unlike the blogger I never try to grab the window inside the corner. I tend to aim for the edge itself.

I observe the same thing but it doesn&#x27;t cause me difficulty. I think I more or less aim for the edge, vs the inside or outside.

Most of the Tahoe and Liquid Glass related gripes are overstated or sometimes just against the idea of changing anything well-established

Do you mean you don&#x27;t observe the same thing? Or that it doesn&#x27;t cause you difficulty?

Its not a great update and hopefully with Dye out they will make some changes, but  personally I don&#x27;t have this issue.

Yeah the really misleading part of the screenshots in this article is that it doesn&#x27;t show the &quot;resize cursor&quot;, which basically makes this a non issue.Also, for anyone reading this who hates the general aesthetic, go into Accessibility and hit &quot;reduce transparency&quot;. This has been a desirable setting for last few OSX versions.

That&#x27;s funny. I perceive resizing windows as easier now, because the cursor change is more dramatic when it gets in the resizing area. Pre-Tahoe, the diagonal one in particular looked almost the same, except with an arrow end in the bottom. Now it splits into two triangles.I still operate off muscle memory, so it&#x27;s not actually easier or harder, of course.

After using Tahoe for a week, I&#x27;ve found I leave it in my bag. Window operations are painful and it feels like a bad try at a tablet os without a stylus or touch screen. Fortunately, my Mac is now the auxiliary laptop and I can do everything I need to do with my linux laptop.

I think people wildly underestimate how expensive skilled software development, leadership and especially design is (considering even Apple can&#x27;t apparently find good designers).The price of renting a billboard isn&#x27;t going to cover more than a week&#x27;s worth of those people&#x27;s fees. Billboard-induced shame has actually much more chance of succeeding.

There&#x27;s no relief in open source. I&#x27;ve watched Ubuntu and Gnome copy some of Apple and Microsoft&#x27;s worst ideas over the last 20 years and somehow put an even worse spin on them. I fully expect to see &quot;Gnome 52 - Liquid Sugar&quot; or something in a couple of years.

Proprietary software prisoners will do absolutely everything to appease there abusive prison guard except simply quit walking into the golden cage every morning.

No. Direct that money to open source projects and let Apple ruin itself.

I mean, I don’t hate it, but it seems like a clear step back.

If you do, make them play that scrambled egg GIF from TFA in an endless loop. They&#x27;ll eventually get it.

It&#x27;s hard to realize things when you&#x27;re in an echo chamber.It&#x27;s also hard to measure the quantity and genuineness of bitching online because people complain about everything and there&#x27;s an inherent incentive online to complain to bring in ad revenue regardless of how genuine it is.But it&#x27;s a direct and unmistakeable sign (to you and your peers and colleagues) when someone paid actual money to rent a billboard just to remind you how much you fucked up.

If they didn’t realize how broken things are by themselves, mere pressure from the outside won’t be turning the ship around.

please yes, they could use some real world roasting

Yes, I would gladly contribute $25. You can rent partial time on an electronic billboard on Highway 101 for under $2K per month.

Are there even any billboards in Cupertino?

I guess you&#x27;re not thinking like a marketer&#x2F;product person (and I don&#x27;t claim to be one either, at least not anywhere skilled), but your proposed ad shows exactly what&#x27;s wrong with the Linux mentality and why it didn&#x27;t go anywhere with consumers and won&#x27;t go anywhere until this changes.The ad should show something people want, not vague promises of being their customer or personal computing (a term essentially unknown by the new generations). Show something the new machine can do that the competition can&#x27;t - built-in adblocker, cross-compatibility with Mac and Windows apps via VMs&#x2F;rented servers, etc.

I&#x27;d like to see a Super Bowl ad sponsored by one or more of the big Linux players.&quot;Hi, I&#x27;m a Mac.&quot;&quot;And I&#x27;m a PC. Wow, you suck, Mac. What the hell happened?&quot;&quot;Yo momma, PC.&quot;&lt;wild gesticulating and arguing ensues for 20-30 seconds&gt;&quot;Hi, I&#x27;m Linux. Neither of these people care anything about you. You see, you&#x27;re not their customer anymore. When you&#x27;re ready to make computing personal again, check us out.&quot;

A translucent billboard with some white text would drive home the point.

the person responsible for this mess was poached by meta a month ago.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=46191194">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=46191194</a>

Should we crowdfund some billboards in Cupertino expressing how big a misstep we collectively think Tahoe&#x2F;iOS 26&#x2F;Liquid glAss was?

Yep, came here to say this.
It&#x27;s the only thing that makes macos useable.

I wish I found out about it earlier. Aerospace is a tiling window manager for MacOS. As someone who prefers keyboard navigation over mouse navigation, I can&#x27;t recommend it enough.

yabai too! I have fn + right-click set to resize window under cursor

Which is all the more bizarre, because historically it was usually Windows which copied MacOS ;)That the roles got reversed became painfully clear when macOS copied the Windows Vista style popup mess for access permissions.

This is probably not a coincidence. I can pretty much guarantee you a developer said something to a designer like &quot;hey, most of this is outside the window, is that fine?&quot; and the designer said back &quot;well, I think so, but let&#x27;s check what Windows did,&quot; and then they okayed the decision at least in part because Windows did it.

And the elder generation is always convinced that the young generation is degenerate, incompetent, and destined for ruin.

&gt; overall, the young copy the elders and contend hotly with them in words and in deeds, while the elders, lowering themselves to the level of the young, sate themselves with pleasantries and wit, mimicking the young in order not to look unpleasant and despotic.&quot;Socrates&quot;, in Plato&#x27;s RepublicNone of us are immune to cycles in fashion, and the need to differentiate ourselves and our work from what came before, even if what came before was pretty much a solved problem.Maybe it&#x27;s humanity&#x27;s way of escaping local minima, or maybe it&#x27;s an endless curse which every generation must bemoan.

History always repeats itself. The young generation always thinks the old generation was rubbish and they have nothing to learn from them and can do better.

Non-tech people tend to think similarly about developers, breaking things that worked fine until yesterday &#x2F; last week &#x2F; last month, for no user-visible benefit.

The exact same thing applies to development. How many things broke because of a React rewrite or moving to micro services?I wish the average dev would recognise this.

Call me cynical but I think designers need to occasionally break things that were already solved long ago to justify their continued relevance. Explains a lot of redesigns that make things only worse, reshuffling interfaces, hiding things behind menus in form over function redesigns, etc.

This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful.These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe