Display is custom made for them, it is not a part. Only way to buy is as offered.

Can somebody figure out display part# this uses?

I agree, refresh rate is an issue that is more important than energy usage, colors or life time (apparently e-ink dies quicker when viewing videos).I&#x27;m just experimenting with a USB-based external e-ink display to see if it is capable of reading&#x2F;writing&#x2F;editing technical documents (started last week), using a device with a 50% more affordable price point. 
 My first impression was I needed to increase the font size to be able to work. Let&#x27;s see how it goes.

Images look terrible on e-ink, so that&#x27;s an issue as well.

Some are comparing their display tech to Pebble, which was so threatening to the growing smartwatch market that Fitbit purchased the company and (for reasons I don&#x27;t know) took all their IP and shelved it. I wonder if Daylight will be able to keep their mission when Amazon comes knocking

For some, e-ink displays are the holy grail of tech. I have several e-ink devices but the real hangup is the refresh rate. If this solves that problem in a meaningful way it could be game changing.

The most expensive part of a device is the display. This is a bleeding-edge, first -generation, low-production-run display on top of an Android tablet. If it does what the demos show, it&#x27;s the device I&#x27;ve been waiting a decade for and is totally worth $800, to me. Also, the price includes a Wacom pen. Hopefully they can get the costs down, but the price seems completely fair.

It’s funny that Tech is the source of and solution to all of our problems. But my real critique is that all portable devices these days are around $1000 dollars. I’m sure this display makes the device expensive, why can’t we just have a more humane workflow in our current devices instead of buying a new device?

This Xiaomi tablet uses the same chip as usIt’s pretty decent performance, and what makes it special is how good battery life isCheck the notebook check review<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.notebookcheck.net&#x2F;Xiaomi-Redmi-Pad-review-Affordable-Android-tablet-with-90-Hz-and-4-speakers.673345.0.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.notebookcheck.net&#x2F;Xiaomi-Redmi-Pad-review-Afford...</a>

I haven&#x27;t been impressed by any Mediatek part to date.

They&#x27;ve said the bootloader is unlocked so it should never be totally obsolete.

&gt; 2x Arm Cortex-A76 up to 2.2GHz
&gt; 6x Arm Cortex-A55 up to 2.0GHz
&gt; LPDDR4X
&gt; Arm Mali-G57 MC2Not great, not terrible. I&#x27;d say lower middle class phone, roughly equivalent to the Snapdragon 680. The real question is longterm software and security support. I&#x27;d bet good money this will se one android update and security patches late or never at best.

Indeed! A Waveshare portable e-ink monitor is $499.99 for the 10.3&quot; size, almost identical to the Daylight&#x27;s 10.5&quot; display. The external display would also outlast this tablet device for sure.And if I&#x27;m reading the MediaTek Helio G99 specs correctly, it seems to have similar raw performance to a Raspberry Pi 5. One could easily put together a little &quot;productivity PC&quot; using a Pi (or a Windows mini PC), a power bank, and have the added benefit of full-fledged desktop apps rather than Android versions of them.I wanted to want to impulse buy this thing. But the above analysis, as well as the lack of any real hands-on 3rd party video-based reviews will be a no from me.

At this price point, I&#x27;d much rather have an portable e-paper external display at a cheaper price. Seems quite underpowered

Android 13 with 8GB RAM. I&#x27;m not familiar with the MediaTek Helio G99 CPU.Will this perform well or just be another underpowered tablet for $800?

So good to hear! This seems like it would be right up the alley for a company like Nothing Phone

&gt; and laptopMaybe start with a screen module for a Framework laptop: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;FrameworkComputer&#x2F;Framework-Laptop-13&#x2F;tree&#x2F;main&#x2F;Display">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;FrameworkComputer&#x2F;Framework-Laptop-13&#x2F;tre...</a>, before&#x2F;instead of trying to engineer a laptop from scratch...

we aim to build a monitor, but hardware companies arent very hot for VCs, so cash flow from selling the tablet is the primary way we are going to fund building a monitor, phone, and laptop

You can use an app called Duet Display on it. It works quite well (can’t remember the exact ms latency now)

Looks nice! I think I&#x27;d only get it if I could use it as a monitor though. Displaying more than grayscale colors would be a plus too. Still glad to see it though.

It&#x27;s a transflective display. Although not E-Ink it may solve many of the same problems while having a reasonable refresh rate and less burn in.Comment from Daylight_Co
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It&#x27;s strange, on an M2 with chrome I often struggle with websites like this. but this one is seamless for me.

It shows, to me, that they only tried their website on a &quot;normal&quot; mouse with scrollwheel. My trackpad does (sub-)pixel scrolling guys! I&#x27;m used to having full control over websites. Those that take away that control feel sluggish and unprofessional (this JS snippet makes our scrolling cool!), and distracts me away from the (sparse!) content.

Agreed. I don&#x27;t have faith they can make a usable device if they can&#x27;t make a usable web page.Never break, take over, or &quot;fix&quot; scrolling! Never!

I wonder how well the tablet renders its own homepage.

Product pages that hijack scrolling are inexplicably popular.I hate them, to the point it kills my interest in the product. It looks like an ad, the kind I use an ad blocker for.Of course you are going to tell me, it is and ad, but come on, if I decided to scroll down, it means I am interested in the product and I want to know more. No need to hook me up with fancy visuals, it is already done, now, I want information, give me information in the way that is easiest to consume. If you want to be fancy, have a (not autoplaying!) video, but these sites are the worst of both worlds. They are not as cool as videos can be, and they do a terrible job at being informative.I guess that since Google and the likes with all their analytics do that, it means it works, but to me, it is a turn off. I was kind of interested in that tablet, now I realize I probably don&#x27;t need it. I probably wouldn&#x27;t have bought it anyways, but there was a little spark, and you just killed it with that website.

Oof. I hope the tablet is better than the website. I think I need to switch to a device with a dedicated GPU to see it right. My laptop is struggling, and it&#x27;s running a 12th gen i5. They seem to be using a video provider that can&#x27;t keep up either.Still, the tablet looks exciting, especially since it&#x27;s based on Android. I&#x27;m curious as to how they overcame the refresh rate issue that plagues so many similar displays.

It is a Godzilla pebble watchI hope you will be pleased

Hmmm, a little disappointed but I&#x27;m I still very interested. My favorite smart watch was a pebble and they used a transflective display, I loved it. If this is more of the same but refined and bigger count me in.

I&#x27;m totally ok with that and actual communications from the company are very clear about what it is. Looks like this is out of their control.

I don’t see the word transflective anywhere on that Reddit post, and don’t really know what it means. Where did you get that info, or is it obvious from looking at it?

Thanks—we&#x27;ve changed the title from &quot;Daylight: 60fps E-ink Tablet&quot; now.

Thank you.I still think that calling it e-paper is disingenuous. My initial impression was that this was some e-ink breakthrough, but it&#x27;s really just a backlit monochrome LCD. I&#x27;m not sure how they can claim that it&#x27;s &quot;non-emissive&quot;, when it literally uses a backlight. An LCD with an amber filter doesn&#x27;t come close to the readability of e-ink, so I&#x27;m not sure what advancements they&#x27;ve made to make it feel like &quot;magic&quot; or &quot;paper-like&quot;. Shelling out $729 to find out how it looks in person, based on a slick marketing site and positive comments from &quot;beta testers&quot;, is a hard ask.

Kind of like OLPC was, but just the monochrome part?<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Transflective_liquid-crystal_display" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Transflective_liquid-crystal_d...</a><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.laptop.org&#x2F;go&#x2F;Display#Screen" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.laptop.org&#x2F;go&#x2F;Display#Screen</a>

So the same as a monitor that was recently featured on a popular YouTube channel? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag</a>

It&#x27;s not an e-ink display, but rather a monochrome transreflective lcd. [1][1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;eink&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1bk294i&#x2F;comment&#x2F;kvx17fc&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;eink&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1bk294i&#x2F;comment&#x2F;kvx17...</a>

should be fixed now, does it work for you? thanks for helping report a bug

the site loads OK, but keeps crashing when I scroll to the &quot;animated text on scroll&quot; section . I&#x27;m on Brave Android on a phone with 12GB RAM.

It does look great.Any plans of supplying the ePaper display to OEM&#x27;s like Amazon, Remarkable, etc.?

It&#x27;s interesting that Anjan compared the display tech to Pebble, because selling off the company instead of just the IP is where Pebble completely failed consumers. Pebble had something incredibly special, and then Fitbit bought Pebble and (for reasons I don&#x27;t know) immediately killed all their projects and shelved all their tech. In a different reality, Anjan would have said, &quot;Think of it as a Godzilla sized Fitbit watch with a decade of improvement&quot;. Selling just the screens seems like the obvious play here

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Modos-Labs&#x2F;Glider">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Modos-Labs&#x2F;Glider</a> if you&#x27;re interested in DIY see here

holy moly dude you are articulating our value prop and philosophy even better than we canglad to be on the same team!long term goals&#x2F;plans- make a whole ecosystem of healthier, distraction free computers.. phones, laptops, monitors, workstations, watches, PDAs, epaper whiteboards, etc
- make awesome software that we can offer as public goods, funded by cash flow from hardware and memberships etc 
- make &#x27;magical analogue objects&#x27; like actually good sunrise alarm clocks, time timers, calendars, habit trackers, better phillip hues, etc

Instantly bought this to support your missionA &quot;calm&quot; computer interface is such a welcome idea and quality pursuitParticipating in the good of the digital world - information access, communication, creativityWhile mitigating the bad - always on notifications, bio-hostile blue light interface, doom scrolling etcI hope that this V1 release of your philosophy is successful enough to keep buildingTo that end what are your long term goals &#x2F; plans?

1) black &amp; white because bayer color filter will cut your brightness by 66%2) alas we gave up bistability for speed, so the image doesn&#x27;t stay when you turn it off (however, we maybe can do quasi-bistability with this tech for watch or kindle sized future devices)3) the pen writing feel is similar to my favorite japanese paper campus kokoyu. you could argue comparable to a remarkable or maybe even better for some4)its all laminated &#x2F; optically bonded5) we can improve on repairability, its fine, but nothing stand out. we have big plans in the future here though6) we&#x27;re aiming to build the business on customer trust so we better be good at software updates! android is hard though, so its definitely a learning curve and requires a lot of resources7) we&#x27;ll do better to earn your trust around using our accounts - lots of plans in the coming months and years to be the best privacy + security + sovereignty computers!

So this is an advanced form of reflective LCD? Interesting. LTT recently tested a color display like that too[0].A few Questions:
Why is it black and white?
Does the Image stay the same when the device is off?
What is the surface like for the Pen? Is the Display recessed so there&#x27;s parallax between pen and Display or is it laminated like an iPad?
How is the repairability? Can the battery be replaced easily?
How is software support going to be? Since I&#x27;m supposed to link all kinds of cloud accounts to it, I would not buy this without a statement regarding security updates and support lifetime.Looks cool though!
[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag</a>

yes! we&#x27;re going to come out with a bootloader unlock tool as well so you can do whatever you wantour goal is to be DIY friendly, so we included things i&#x27;ve always wanted in a tablet like:- microSD card expandable 
- pogo pins for custom accessories (ie cyber deck FTW)
- 2 extra physical buttons you can custom map

Will I be able to install LineageOS on this - as I do on all of my devices ?

we&#x27;re trying to underpromise and overdeliver, and our display can now do 60 - 120 fps, but believe it or not, our PDF renderer and software can&#x27;t match that yet.So we&#x27;re waiting till we can holistically do 120fps before announcing that.But if you do frame rate tests, you&#x27;ll see its 120fps(for the nerds out there, its 6hz-120hz variable refresh rate IGZO)

&gt; Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Paperlike epaper display that has no ghosting and high refresh rate - 60 to 120fps. We started working on this in 2018.The website mentions 60hz, will it also support 120hz?

I&#x27;m so rooting for you! Got in on Batch 2When can we expect our favourite tech vloggers to share their thoughts on review units?

your support means everything! thank you!i wish people could understand how hard it is to survive low volume novel consumer electronics.. not meant to solicit pity, but to appreciate why we&#x27;re all just stuck with big tech after indie company after indie company fail

Huge congrats! I&#x27;ve been dreaming of something like this for a while - instant pre-order!

$$$certifications for mobile&#x2F;modems are expensiveour future gens will have it once&#x2F;if we have the resources

its a good idea, know any good firmware &#x2F; encoding engineers who could help us build really good casting?

I think this might be possible out of the box with Android apps like ScreenStream: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;play.google.com&#x2F;store&#x2F;apps&#x2F;details?id=info.dvkr.screenstream&amp;hl=en_US&amp;gl=US">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;play.google.com&#x2F;store&#x2F;apps&#x2F;details?id=info.dvkr.scre...</a>

It would be cool if we could cast our phone screens to it. That way we wouldn&#x27;t have to deal with file and app synchronization, cellular tethering, or any of the other friction points of using multiple devices.

just small dev team, updating to new android and porting over all your changes is a tremendous amount of work believe it or notif launch goes well, the team&#x27;s gonna get a lot bigger and you can expect us being able to do much more on the AOSP&#x2F;android side

Looks great, albeit a high price point. Why not a newer Android?

Is there a video of someone playing Doom?

Keep an eye on the market for RLCD monitors. I read Hanspree are releasing one ~Sept.

There are a few techniques for using an Android device as a second monitor. I assume those would also work for the Daylight Computer.

What if I want this display tech but just as a monitor to use with my existing setup for doing engineering work? (E.g. emacs, tiling window manager, etc.)The device as it&#x27;s presented looks like a consumption device (&quot;tablet&quot; etc), but tech like this seems like it&#x27;d be most useful for a production device (general purpose computing device, programming&#x2F;development tools).I&#x27;d like the display, but uncoupled from the lifestyle assumptions that come with a consumer lifestyle tablet accessory...

yes we do! ipad mini and 13.Xin versions are kawaii af

This looks very exiting! I am a long-time Sony DPT&#x2F;Fujitsu Quaderno user and love these kind of devices. My question would be whether you have plans in the future to make a 13.3&quot; version. The 10&quot; versions are just too small for my use (mostly reading scientific papers).

The lack of any 3rd party hands-on video reviews was the biggest red flag that halted any consideration I had to purchase this product.

You can see the videos here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;daylightco.gorgias.help&#x2F;en-US#article-509983" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;daylightco.gorgias.help&#x2F;en-US#article-509983</a>

I&#x27;ve tried it and it&#x27;s extraordinary. Is it worth it, at this price, to you? That&#x27;s something only you can answer. But it&#x27;s unlike anything you&#x27;ve ever seen. I agree that it needs to be seen to be understood and hopefully they can get in retail outlets at some point.

I have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc).Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. That&#x27;s what I would look for when deciding to buy this.Maybe YouTube reviewers will end up providing this information...

GP has said elsewhere that they are going to provide bootloader unlocking, so alternative OSes should be possible.

I would love to see terminal&#x2F;unix being part of the story. I realize that one can install Termux, but telling the story without it would be super attractive for developers. It would also further differentiate from iPad.Any thoughts on this for us developers?

full refund if you dont like itits vulnerable for us as a small startup on a shoestring budget to offer this, but it is the right thing to offer(sorry we will update the page to add details to refund&#x2F;return!)

What&#x27;s your refund policy if we don&#x27;t like it? There&#x27;s no mention of refund&#x2F;return on the page at all.Thanks.

I do use a newer boox android eink tablet for coding via termux and ssh. Great for my needs. I wonder how this compares.

&gt; A4 e-ink has considerable audience that doesn&#x27;t know they need itThey know it very well. There&#x27;s been a void for an affordable eInk device for this purpose for decades.

yes, academia should totally love this, but my experience is that they just all got used to reading papers on their laptops or tablets.but I would totally love this. in fact, I have a remarkable tablet just for reading &quot;papers&quot; (ahem Dungeons &amp; Dragons PDFs). but switching quickly between pages is tricky there...

I&#x27;ve been waiting for 10 years for a A4 e-ink device. Only Sony made one, but it was never available anywhere. And pretty meh probably too :)Remarkable 2 was pretty decent for notes, but terrible for reading imo. And the bs to get a proper ebook app on it etc was just too much for me.

I’m guessing letter would be fine too, given how many times I’ve printed out European papers here in the states.A stylus would help a lot a that point too. So would a hole in the tablet where you can store the stylus — my apple sits and collects dust with a dead battery. I bought it for occasional use, and it’s never ready when I need it, even at home.

Any chance of the A4 size device and higher DPI in the future? Will pay any money for that.A4 e-ink has considerable audience that doesn&#x27;t know they need it – people who read papers. All the academia is formatted for A4 and stored in PDFs, which is pretty unreadable even on 10&quot;. People literally print them on paper to read.I currently enjoying A4-sized Boox Tab X and it&#x27;s a game changer, as I read a lot of papers and want to read more outside. Love it so much, and having Android is important (instead of some own walled OS), as I can sync my papers via ReadCube Papers app. I also tried to use it as a monitor for coding, but even with their superrefresh technology refresh rate is still a problem.

This was also my question, and I found what seems to be the answer. It&#x27;s not quite definitive enough for me, but it&#x27;s the best I&#x27;ve found so far.&gt; Note: it’s 60fps epaper, not off the shelf Eink. We spent years developing what we think is the best epaper display in the world and it’s exclusively manufactured by our display factory in Japan.

Could you please answer my question? Here, without typing it again:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40459804">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40459804</a>

those videos were shot on pre-production units. we may still not be perfect, but it should be a lot better on our most recent &#x2F; PVT &#x2F; production unitswe&#x27;ll update the videos once launch calms down!

I watched the videos here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;daylightco.gorgias.help&#x2F;en-US#article-509983" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;daylightco.gorgias.help&#x2F;en-US#article-509983</a>But it looks like it suffers from backlight bleeding if the screen brightness is at medium or full. I&#x27;m a bit concerned about that, can you help explain why that is happening.

yup yes, we will release a bootloader unlock tool so you can do whatever you want

I&#x27;ve used vim from the reMarkable and a C interpreter in a root shell when my laptop was broken. On-screen keyboard wasn&#x27;t the best experience though

I haven&#x27;t done a ton of usage outdoors, but my boox max lumi works for this. IIUC the android it runs is &quot;unlocked&quot; so I think you could use it as a computer if you wanted. I use it as a tablet and a monitor.

&gt; One day I&#x27;ll live my dream of vim in the forest groveThat would be any Android tabled - supposedly E-Ink based - with Termux installed...

Can I run my own software on it? I would love to buy an epaper portable of some sort, but the fact that they&#x27;re all locked down is a no go. One day I&#x27;ll live my dream of vim in the forest grove.

1) remarkable &amp; ratta are traditional off the shelf eink and have to use a frontlight (above the display) which has many tradeoffs2) daylight actually uses microperforations in our LivePaper display, so we&#x27;re able to use a backlight, which in our opinion is superior in multiple waysone of which, is what you&#x27;re describing! our backlight doesnt affect writing feel or distance from pen tip to display!(also way better contrast with BLU on with backlight)3) thats awesome! feel free to reach out if you want to collaborate, we want to build the best PDF experiences out there as we&#x27;re serious about knowledge workanjan at daylightcomputer.comwe will share more details about our pdf reader later this summer when we do an official software launch!

Source: I was the chief hardware engineer for this device.The problem with eink tablets is that they must use front light, and not backlight due to how eink works. This means there is an extra layer in front of the layer where the pixels are, which causes parallax effects which makes writing feel fake. This is (likely) why remarkable deleted the frontlight from their product.Whereas with the daylight tablet, we have a trans reflective display and a backlight. Since the backlight layer is behind the layer where the pixels are, the parallax does not suffer.I find the experience of writing with a Wacom EMR pen on mine very pleasing :)

Big reMarkable 2 fan here, and it&#x27;s very intriguing to see some competition to traditional eInk!Coming from the rM2, my immediate concerns are display density, and impact of the light on writing feel (both reMarkable and Ratta claim that feel suffers with the extra space between the pen tip and display).Also as someone who makes a lot of pdf-based tools for the reMarkable, I&#x27;d love to see a video or details about the built-in pdf (and epub, hopefully!) reader

Will there be any additional cost like a subscription to use the features of the device?

Congratulations on the new tech, looks impressive! Any plans of developing monitors or portable displays to use with a laptop&#x2F;smartphone in the sunlight?

It sounds like it can run any Android app, so Dropbox should definitely work.

What connectivity will it have? Specifically asking about iCloud and Dropbox...

They commented on Twitter saying they’ll use profits from the tablet towards making a phone

The Boox Palma doesn&#x27;t have a cell connection but is a phone-sized Android based e-paper tablet.

I don’t think this is necessarily true. I use reMarkable almost purely because it’s not an android tablet.

light phone is android though...<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;LightPhone&#x2F;comments&#x2F;jqtfu4&#x2F;heres_how_to_get_a_shell_on_the_lightphone2_and&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;LightPhone&#x2F;comments&#x2F;jqtfu4&#x2F;heres_ho...</a>root too...
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I&#x27;ve been using an e-ink phone (HiSense A9) full-time for a year, and it&#x27;s pretty great. Especially things like biking navigation in sunlight are a huge plus.The Daylight Computer technology is super interesting and a friend of mine that saw one at some tech festival a while ago said it really is that good. Unfortunately an Android tablet is about the least interesting product you could make with that technology, for me. A phone, a laptop or a full-size computer monitor would be a different game.

The HiSense A5, A7 and A9 range of phones could be your answer. Problem is it is a Chinese domestic market phone. A9 does have a GSI of LineageOS with working EINK refresh modes available on XDA so this could be your ticket if the 4G bands are available in your country (basically not the US).I have an A5 Pro and it works great.

Please, tell me there&#x27;s a phone coming along. Light Phone made a mistake not going Android. You totally nailed it with that casually dropped Spotify icon in that shot!I personally have zero use for a tablet. But if I can have an eink phone, with all the authentication apps I need to connect to work and do banking (and maps and Spotify), I&#x27;ll drop that iPhone that is frying the brains of my kids instantly.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.dasung.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.dasung.com</a> ?

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It&#x27;s not really e-ink, it&#x27;s more like transflective LCD, you can buy entire screens from guys like SunVision, LTT did a thing: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag</a>

Consider if you really want B&#x2F;W for coding.(E-Ink colour displays, Kaleido3 for speed, do not come in &quot;large&quot; size - if you do not consider the exceptional ~60&#x27;&#x27; made for showrooms.)

Same, but a laptop. I can even code over SSH, but the weight ratio for laptop usage needs to be right.

I&#x27;m using <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.bigme.vip&#x2F;products&#x2F;worlds-1st-all-in-one-pc-with-e-ink-color-display?variant=43012158521523" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.bigme.vip&#x2F;products&#x2F;worlds-1st-all-in-one-pc-wi...</a>
... or rather: I have it next to my Dell. I think some of the issues &quot;why&quot; may be addressed by a software update later, some by moving to a sunnier country.

Sell me a massive desktop e-ink display with USB-C input. I want to code on this.

Congratulations on the launch, what was your hardware journey like. Did you have a hard time raising capital to manufacure prototypes.I&#x27;m working on a small hobbyist project right now,and actually getting it built hasn&#x27;t been fun.Would love to hear your advice.

Can you make a screen to replace the one from Gameboy using your technology?

Why did you say &quot;less addicting&quot;?

I was playing at an outdoor concert recently - last year I suffered from the combination of paper sheet music + wind.. so this year I used an Android tablet in portrait mode where I could flicker to the next one relatively easily with a finger (no fancy bluetooth pedal control or anything). Me, wind: 1-0. This particular tablet was actually visible in full daylight when I turned the screen light to its maximum.After this I&#x27;ve been thinking how nice a Kindle-style display would be (not to mention battery), the more sunlight the better, kind of. A Kindle is too small, and well.. I know there are others (that Remarkable someone mentioned), but..What about this Daylight one? Overkill maybe?

&gt; way less addicting than the typical laptopXorg is still able to do 1bpp. Windows has a grayscale filter. Don&#x27;t know if you can still get to render dithered B&amp;W.

It says you can install any Android app. So I can just like browse websites in Firefox? How is that experience?

Is there a good app for note taking like on remarkable?

What is your experience with writing code on the device? Does the grayscale impact syntax highlighting?

What&#x27;s the experience like with using it as a Terminal coding app? I&#x27;m super interested in using this to SSH into a home machine and programming from this.How viable is that?Though even if the device works excellently for that, i&#x27;m not sure it would _feel_ good due to it not being a laptop. My wife&#x27;s ipad pro for example is not nearly as comfy as my mac pro, due to the properly balanced weight of it all.Still, super tempting to try this.. i&#x27;ve wanted this for so long.

As one of the beta testers, let me just say that I really like this device. It&#x27;s very different than a kindle, kobo or reMarkable in that the refresh rate really makes a big difference. When I show this device to people, I show them how quickly zooming in on a PDF is. It&#x27;s way faster and more responsive than any e-ink screen and it&#x27;s way less addicting than the typical laptop, phone or tablet.I&#x27;m attempting to make this device my main driver over the next few months and while the ecosystem isn&#x27;t exactly mature yet, most android apps just work out of the box and I&#x27;ve found myself doing a lot more reading, either through an e-reading app (Lithium), PDF reader or Instapaper. I have X, Primal, Telegram and many other apps installed, but I don&#x27;t go to them nearly as much. The device really is a lot more human centered and it makes for a much more intentional device.

I&#x27;ve been impressed with the Kindle Scribe I recently got. The drawing and note taking is really nice. However, you have to email yourself PDFs to get the information out of the tablet!Will we be able to get data off the tablet easily? Will there be documented APIs or other automation available?

What would lock you in? It&#x27;s Android, most of your data on apps is going to be saved to the cloud on individual accounts, and pdfs are going to be yours. I&#x27;m not sure what would lock you in.

Is it 100% open source? Or is it a device that I&#x27;m going to be locked in like mobile phones? Are any chances that the price goes down? I think now this is a factor that prevents me from buying it.

My kid has been using my remarkable 2 for almost 4 years. (Since they were early elementary school aged) It&#x27;s still fine.Don&#x27;t give kids devices if they can&#x27;t be responsible to take care of them.

I bought a remarkable. But then a 2 years later had to sell it because my kid was running around and fiddling with my things. I could give my kid the Kindle and will have peace of mind that he can&#x27;t break, even if he tries. Remarkable is just need a drop on the floor.How rugged and heavy is your tablet? If it&#x27;s easily breakable, do you have any future plans to make a tiny, small phone sized light weight paper tablet which one can pull out of pocket like a notepad write stuff and put back, and most importantly have no care in the world of breaking it?

Source: I was the chief hw engineer for this device.The colors do not invert when the backlight is on, which is great because you can turn on only a slight amount of backlight if you need it, and have it blend to the ambient lighting.It supports 256 levels of grayscale.

So this is a trans-reflective LCD screen?Does it invert the colors when backlit?It&#x27;s about 50% heavier than rM2; the battery is almost triple the capacity of rM2; I assume these are related and both due to the use of LCD over eInk?How many shades of gray?

Much lower margin if you just sell a component.

They are trying to sell an entire ethos as well. But also what the other person said.

&gt; And we built a whole android tablet around it.What is the reason it isn&#x27;t worth your while to sell the display seperately so other devices can be built using it?

Is the source available? Is it locked, or can we use our own firmware?

Can you post a photo or video of a side-by-side comparison of the Remarkable 2 and the Daylight Computer?Right now it’s hard to actually tell from your marketing materials what the screen looks like

Will you offer a 13 inch version?What about computer screens?And a color version?For background I have a boox max, a dasung 253 bw and dasung color 253. Happy to spend even more money on a new generation of devices.

I was looking for the battery life to.after a bit of digging through their page - 8000mAh battery giving &quot;days&quot; of charge.So a long way from eink insanity, but a usable device in return. Im sure it will do well.

These types of displays use power to change the pixels, but almost nothing to retain the existing image, so battery life will be wildly variable depending on how you&#x27;re using it. Browsing the web with nonstop animations versus reading a book will probably show massive swings in battery life.

How&#x27;s the battery usage? You mentioned that it&#x27;s not bistable and doesn&#x27;t retain an image on power-off; does that mean the display requires non-trivial power even while displaying a static image? One of the big selling points of my reMarkable 2 is the incredible battery life.Any plans for color? I know it&#x27;d be a sacrifice of brightness. I&#x27;m still interested despite the limitations.

Instant buy. Love the design and mission. Where can I get the wooden stand?

That could be a great feature.  You can use your tablet to find cat pee and other undesirables on your carpet, or just set the mood for a party

FYI there&#x27;s a typo on the product page, &quot;blacklight&quot; instead of &quot;backlight&quot;. I assume that&#x27;s not a branding thing since it&#x27;s referred to as a backlight elsewhere.

Respect. Not easy to do hardware. I will order one for sure to try it out. Very interesting.A few questions that i hope to get an answer to:How did you finance the company? How much money did you spend on R&amp;D &amp; production etc?What was the initial idea you had? What were the biggest challenges before you knew for sure you got the final product?

I bet people would pay good money for a Framework display module that&#x27;s usable eInk. (Assuming it can use the same display connector.)<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frame.work&#x2F;products&#x2F;display-kit?v=FRANGX0001" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frame.work&#x2F;products&#x2F;display-kit?v=FRANGX0001</a><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;guides.frame.work&#x2F;Guide&#x2F;Display+Replacement+Guide&#x2F;86?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;guides.frame.work&#x2F;Guide&#x2F;Display+Replacement+Guide&#x2F;86...</a>

Yes 2-in-1 is very interesting and useful device, the latest one version has color e-ink [1].For non-color e-ink sporting 60fps display in low-cost laptop with Intel entry level N100 CPU would be awesome as working and learning gadgets, and batteries should last days instead of hours.[1] Meet the Lenovo ThinkBook Plus Twist<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ZBV_VGsVqqE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ZBV_VGsVqqE</a>

They are just using displays made by eInk. Technically, Linfiny Japan Inc., which is a subsidiary that does B2B stuff like large displays.Several companies are offering similar fast refresh tech. It&#x27;s no longer anything super special.

This. Lenovo never quite managed to get their act together with the e-paper side of their 2-in-1.- Maybe this is what&#x27;s missing?- ...maybe you could do you own 2-in-1?

&gt; We developed our own custom epaper display tech we call LivePaper. We focused on solving the tradeoffs RLCDs traditionally have - around reflectance %, metallic-look &#x2F; not Paperlike enough, viewing angle, white state, rainbow mura, parallax, resolution, size, lack of quality backlight, etc.Would you license this to others at a more affordable rate than e-ink? Lenovo has some e-ink 2-in-1 &quot;thinkbook&quot; laptops and might be a good partner... I&#x27;m sure you&#x27;re considered this already.Personally I am sold on the &#x27;low distraction and eye strain&#x27; of e-ink, and would be keen on buying a computer with that display. That said, I&#x27;m more interested in a general computer running a general operating system (ubuntu or any linux) if I&#x27;m using something for daily work. Even if your own operating system can do these things I would be concerned with edge-cases for software I need for work, so for professional daily usage I need an OS that is battle-tested, and not based on a locked-down sandboxed mobile system like android where I&#x27;d have to fight the OS to do what I want.I do own and use a remarkable, so I&#x27;m probably in the target market. I only use the remarkable for note taking, it&#x27;s handy for freehand sketching visual ideas or concepts digitally, where typing or any sort of computer drawing with a mouse may add friction that gets in the way of getting the ideas down onto paper. The main advantage over paper is so I don&#x27;t need to worry about misplacing the pieces of draft paper afterwards, when I revisit an idea months later.I definitely don&#x27;t want a tablet for typing code. If I&#x27;m going to carry around an external keyboard, I might as well just get a thin-and-light laptop.I almost bought the aforementioned thinkbook with the e-ink display. Main reason I didn&#x27;t was that I was worried about compatibility issues if I ran linux, since it&#x27;s designed for windows.

Concerned a little bit about the lower DPI (190), how does aliasing compare to lets say Remarkable 2 (224). I find the Kindle Scribe is at 300 DPI.Handwriting with the Scribe is amazing to me, hoping to see or understand how it compares.

Congratulations! This looks awesome! Very excited to get my hands on one!

Do you know - and can share - how this compares vs the Onyx Boox Tab Ultra C Pro?I guess it might be a very competitive alternative to your product, yet it can&#x27;t reach 60+fps and is sketchy in terms of security, imho.

FYI: goodereader has a bad reputation in the eink world. Their reviews are fair but their shop is borderline scam.

boochiboo12,Please reach out to the team at goodereader.com and see if a review can be arranged. they cover e-ink and several e-ink alternatives, including other vendors in the RLCD space.

Can you please have whomever is looking after your site test it on mobile in dark mode.It&#x27;s almost completely unreadable for me. Dark grey text on dark grey background. Light grey text on warm white.Device: Pixel 7 Pro, dark modeBrowser: Firefox Mobile.

Please publish a clearer complete spec sheet.

This is very cool. I&#x27;ve been waiting for something like this for a while. Since it&#x27;s so new, are you allowing any hackability like ReMarkable? I&#x27;d like to use it instead of Amazon Scribe and integrate against it but $729 is bit steep if it relies on an external service or something.Oh, since it&#x27;s Android under the hood, I see that kindle just works?how&#x27;s the battery life?

Give it to me with a Linux-compatible chip&#x2F;board and I am there. This is the display of the solar-powered off grid computer, and succeeding generations will be incredible. And oh yeah, make a phone. With your distraction-free OS.

Very impressive. Can I use it as an external display? I assume not, but that would strongly push me towards buying one.

I was about to write the same comment but you expressed it much better. I would also be happy if it could be both an android tablet but have a monitor mode where it just becomes a monitor.

Because it allows Android apps, might there be some screen sharing utility that would allow it to be used as a 2nd monitor?

When plugged in to a computer, it would be cool if it reverts to being a smart display with touch screen. It could still charge and transfer files too maybe? I don’t know enough about USB-C, but I really wish devices could do dual function like this.

Another plus one from me. I don’t have the same workplace policies, but even for personal use I’d prefer a ‘plain’ monitor.

This doesn&#x27;t scratch the employer itch, but I think you could use an android VNC viewer app and then run a VNC server targeting a small vertical monitor attached to your workstation.I imagine pulling up the document that I want to read, putting it on the correct monitor, and then grabbing the tablet and taking it to my hammock for some heads down reading time.

I second this. I really enjoy reading and writing on an Onyx e-ink tab, and I like the full Android functionality, but I can never use it for work or even for personal email logins, because I don&#x27;t trust their custom Android build.I would be somewhat more inclined to trust Daylight than Onyx, but any custom OS is too potentially vulnerable to backdoors for my use cases.Something like this that you could load your own Linux flavor onto, or simply this tech as a monitor &#x2F; drawing pad, I would drop the money in a heartbeat.

If you can make it bigger for use as a regular monitor, I&#x27;d pay good money for it.

I would also buy without thinking a mini monitor, but no so much a tablet.
Please think about launching it.

Why not just buy a Mira Pro? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;onyxboox.com&#x2F;boox_mirapro" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;onyxboox.com&#x2F;boox_mirapro</a>

&gt; If I could just plug this in to my existing laptop and use itOr to my existing phone.

&gt; Android tablet is a tough sell for my employer due to compliance, security, and suchFrom a compliance POV what&#x27;s an acceptable alternative? Would some unix variant be any more palatable?

&gt; I would absolutely love, like really love, a USB-C portrait monitor version of this.Would this not be better solved with some remote desktop protocol (RDP or VNC) than with USB? Then you can use it with wifi and just walk off with the device.

This. Absolutely. A second paper like display would be perfect.

&gt;Android tablet is a tough sell for my employer due to compliance, security, and such.I can only imagine how much tougher a Windows sell would be to your employer.

(adding my voice) I would buy a dumb monitor of this without thinking. Name your price Daylight team.

Does it support a separate work profile that can be managed by the Ivanti Mobile@Work app?

If I could use this as an external monitor plugged into my MacBook I would have bought one on the spot.

This is actually what I was hoping to make this summer...

Add another +1 for me. Would buy it today.

Re monitors, you might want to have a look at the Modos’s Glider[1] that was also mentioned here recently[2]? Don’t know if they support a portrait mount out of the box.[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;modos-tech&#x2F;modos-paper-monitor" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;modos-tech&#x2F;modos-paper-monitor</a>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40358309">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40358309</a>

Appreciate the appreciation and thoughtfully laid out idea!I think we’re actually intrigued and open to build this!What helps to know:
- is 1080p ok? 
- what’s the minimum size you’ll be ok with ? 
- aspect ratio? 
- any other important details?

Adding an additional comment here for a little extra visibility. I would absolutely love, like really love, a USB-C portrait monitor version of this. If I could just plug this in to my existing laptop and use it for reading specs, technical docs, …etc that would be amazing.Android tablet is a tough sell for my employer due to compliance, security, and such. So buying one of those for work use would take like a year minimum gathering all the necessary approvals and likely would still get denied by someone. But, a dumb monitor with no real OS I can expense that without approval. just a heads up to my boss really to say I am buying this and here is why.I know you are a small company so have to pick your battles. But, maybe something to consider down the road.EDIt: forgot to say, congrats on the launch. Looks like a great product.

This is amazing. Congrats.Question: am I understanding it right that the only potential downside is color accuracy might be off but you get all the other benefits as stated?(If so, that seems like a great compromise and net better)

I think there’s a limit on colors purely because it’s already nearly impossible to distinguish them on the BW screen?

I like my rm2, but 2 of my biggest issues are:- Syncing changes I make to PDFs to Google drive is tedious- For some reason there&#x27;s a restriction of color when drawing on the PDF. Even if The tablet is black and white which is fine, I want to be able to select a wide range of colors since ultimately I&#x27;ll want to be able to view the PDFs on a legit RGB computer.What does this workflow look like on Daylight?

I bet you could get pretty far with Universal Android Debloater: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;0x192&#x2F;universal-android-debloater">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;0x192&#x2F;universal-android-debloater</a>You can remove just about anything and everything, which is as much a warning as it is a recommendation. Don&#x27;t use this if you&#x27;re not ready to reinstall your OS.

&gt; boochiboo12: yup yes, we will release a bootloader unlock tool so you can do whatever you want<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40456834#40460036">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40456834#40460036</a>&gt; our goal is to be DIY friendly, so we included things i&#x27;ve always wanted in a tablet like:&gt; - microSD card expandable - pogo pins for custom accessories (ie cyber deck FTW) - 2 extra physical buttons you can custom map<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40456834#40458954">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40456834#40458954</a>

Came here to ask this.  Depending on the SoC, bringing up Linux via postmarketOS could be pretty easy.

Is it possible for end users to deploy their own operating systems and software?And do you make it easy for them to do so?One of my pet peeves about the Android ecosystem is Google&#x27;s abusive licensing restrictions for their extended service stack prohibiting vendors from distributing their own forks of the base software.This is the sort of device that I&#x27;d be interested in from the hardware perspective, but would not even consider if it&#x27;s not possible to strip every last remnant of Google from it.

This sounds great, I would love to buy one!Is there a static specs page? The site seems to have been hugged to near-death but even if not it would be great to know the basics not in a video form: size, weight, OS (e.g., can I run my favorite FB2 reader on it), interfaces, etc.I am totally willing to lean forward and buy one, but from the current state of the site I cannot even figure out if the screen is 4&quot; or 9&quot; or something in between.

I pre-ordered! Huge fan and have been checking it out for a while.My biggest question and use case is about handwritten notes. Like other paper tablets (Supernote, box, remarkable, etc) have custom drawing&#x2F;writing apps that sync.I understand y&#x27;all have a fancy custom Android OS, but can I expect to see my notes on other devices, and does it have cool features like handwriting to text auto translation, etc?I&#x27;m very excited! I hope I get my daylight soon.

I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s mentioned on the site, but one thing I&#x27;d really love to see that could well nudge this into the &quot;buy&quot; category for me is some focus on repairability - I&#x27;d very much like to be able to swap the screen, battery, board, etc. in case the worst happens, rather than having to junk the whole device.

What you&#x27;re describing exists already: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Projection_panel" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Projection_panel</a>. You can find plenty on eBay.&gt; &quot;If it were rendering an image, and a spotlight shown through it, would it project the image effectively?&quot;No, because shining a spotlight through it wouldn&#x27;t result in an in-focus image. Draw something on some transparent plastic wrap and shine a light through it and observe what occurs.

RLCD, so the screen itself is transparent? If it were rendering an image, and a spotlight shown through it, would it project the image effectively?I&#x27;ve had some silly little art projects that I&#x27;d love to try this screen for, if you have any spares&#x2F;prototypes or anything you wouldn&#x27;t mind selling or sharing!

How hard will it be to scale up resolution&#x2F;dpi with your tech?Hopefully you’ll be successful enough to make more devices. Just curious if there is a path to “retina” displays.

Came here to ask the same question. The OLPC Screen&#x27;s &quot;transflective&quot; mode was absolutely amazing when it came out EIGHTEEN years ago in 2006.I mourn that the tech was never commercialized and that some company is sitting on the patents.I think it&#x27;s time to boot the little computer that could, see what the latest distro is for it, and turn it into an E-Reader.

You mentioned RLCDs does this mean the screen technology is in the same family as transflective screens?I have a OLPC and a Toshiba R500 which have this kind of screen and they sorta kinda do work in sunlight but less so now than the newer super bright iPad screens.I’m curious if you think you have this down if that means there is a road to color in the future.

Since you make it in Japan, can you sell it to me in JPY? Trying to buy anything in $ these days hurts my wallet xD

I tried to order - looks like you&#x27;re not shipping to Australia? Any plans there?

Can you make a 60fps paper monitor? I want to have a giant ones of those setup on my desk as a Xerox Alto-style display for my terminal sessions.

I was ready to enter my credit card number but there&#x27;s no shipping to Japan.

Congrats on the launch! The tablet is what I&#x27;ve been looking for. Any plan to develop a laptop? I&#x27;ll readily dump my MBP for it.

&gt; it wont be as efficientE-Ink is definitely not efficient for &quot;animation&quot;. It does not consume power in static context being bistable, but switching dot state is very costly. So it all depends on the proportion &quot;static:updating&quot;.

For me the main benefit of EInk, besides the daylight viewing, is battery life.  How does your epaper compare to EInk or an iPad?  I realize it wont be as efficient, running at 60fps, but I&#x27;m curious if it&#x27;s that much better than a regular tablet display.

I&#x27;m glad to see so much interest in devices like this. I hope they succeed. I own an Onyx Boox Tab Ultra, which I&#x27;ve been enjoying tremendously, and specs seem to compare favorably to this.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.boox.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;tab" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.boox.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;tab</a>Doesn&#x27;t seem to be for sale at the moment, but the version with a color epaper layer is: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;BOOX-Tab-Ultra-Pro-Digital&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0CHM54YZK" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;BOOX-Tab-Ultra-Pro-Digital&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0CHM54...</a>Do you have more details on your display technology and how it performs? Any demo videos? It sounds like this is the key selling point?I&#x27;d also be curious to see more on the software side of this product - stock android isn&#x27;t perfect for an eiknk display.

Because that would make it a shit commodity business and you’d have too little value over the manufacturers who would soon cut you out. Why not do it yourself if you think it’s such a great money maker?

I need you to tell me. Why are you not selling these as components for others to integrate? If this is truly better, and you hold patents, you would get zillions orders. Every hobbyist under the sun would buy this.

Very cool. Been hoping for something like this. Also check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.modos.tech&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.modos.tech&#x2F;</a>

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here.Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :)I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle&#x2F;Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer.Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Paperlike epaper display that has no ghosting and high refresh rate - 60 to 120fps. We started working on this in 2018.We developed our own custom epaper display tech we call LivePaper. We focused on solving the tradeoffs RLCDs traditionally have - around reflectance %, metallic-look &#x2F; not Paperlike enough, viewing angle, white state, rainbow mura, parallax, resolution, size, lack of quality backlight, etc.First proof of concept in late 2021, and then it took us 2.5 years to get it into production.And we built a whole android tablet around it.It’s essentially our attempt at making a remarkable tablet on steroids &#x2F; kindle on steroids. Definitely some trade offs, but on the whole we think it’s worth it. (&amp; on twitter a bunch of early customers seem to think so too)Note: it’s 60fps epaper, not off the shelf Eink. We spent years developing what we think is the best epaper display in the world and it’s exclusively manufactured by our display factory in Japan.There’s still many cases where traditional Eink is going to be better (bistability, viewing angle, white state color, etc), but we feel for more general purpose computers you can code on and do google docs on and do fast multitouch amongst a thousand other things, the speed and lack of ghosting totally makes it worth it.Think of it as a Godzilla sized pebble watch with a decade of improvementOr think of it as a gameboy advanced, advanced

Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet