Given that there are currently 655&#x2F;5279 already private, no, they didn&#x27;t jump the gun.Edit: 1 minute later already 658.Edit: 2 minutes later 661.Edit: 2 3&#x2F;4 hours later 840.

looks like its a website monitoring the subreddit statuses with a handful of them having already gone private

Just the title. The page itself acknowledges that the strike is scheduled to start tomorrow:“These subreddits are going dark or read-only on June 12th and after. ”

I mean, it has begun: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;diy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;diy</a>

Correct.  OP jumped the gun on this post.

The link shows which subreddits have turned private. Many have begun already as it is currently the 12th in many timezones.

Even most of Europe would be already in the 12th by that metric, not to mention around 70% of the world&#x27;s population.

Define tomorrow? It is past midnight for Beijing and Tokyo for example.UTC would be reasonable standard meaning 6 and half hours still to go.

For many people in the world, it&#x27;s the 12th already.

It&#x27;s always tomorrow somewhere--or something like that. :)Remember, when you wake up on June 11th in the USA, June 11th is almost over for most of the world.

lol, you&#x27;re right but also with a good deal of &#x27;minimum viable product&#x27; in the mix. I&#x27;m going to steal this to share with my friends (who mostly hate Reddit).Also, have a nice day.

That series literally depressed the heck out of me... as does Reddit at times.

I also keep coming back to the metaphor that Reddit is a great deal like Gormenghast: an ancient, stony fortification of cobbled-together structures, housing a gaggle of idiosyncratic personas whose lives are filled with the performances of abstruse rituals and obligations, the mandatory detritus of a former glory — insular and in a state of glacial decadence, and which nevertheless has a secondary community plastered on its boundary, with which it perfunctorily yet regularly interacts AND YET all of which exists within a much wider world that has largely diverged from it.I think about the Tower of Flints.

I suggest the title be updated to reflect the live tracking nature of this site&quot;Watch the Reddit strike unfold live&quot;?

&gt; our contentTech people ought to think long and hard about whose content it actually is.

These subreddits disagree that this is Reddit&#x27;s data

&gt; The app they’re burning down Reddit over isLmao. Do you even realize what all these are about...? Reddit&#x27;s pricing API policy is making ALL the apps unsustaniable. It&#x27;s not &quot;the app&quot;.&gt; Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US.Yeah so? Only users and mods in the US matter and fuck the rest of the world?Plus Reddit is, surprisingly, not Facebook. I don&#x27;t even understand why you&#x27;re comparing them. Actually I believe many people use Reddit because it&#x27;s not like Facebook.

It&#x27;s not Reddit&#x27;s content, it&#x27;s the community&#x27;s. It&#x27;s literally users wanting to access their own stuff in a different way.If Reddit thinks it&#x27;s theirs, they will soon notice that nothing is left of their business when those communities have moved elsewhere. To even create this war against your own users is complete folly.

Reddit wanted 2.50&#x2F;month&#x2F;appI think the pricing model is per API call, and Reddit was claiming that a typical user, with the app using the data the way Reddit envisions, would use that quantity of API calls.This, of course, assumes that every app is designed similar to the way Reddit expects, i.e., Reddit is assuming that nobody will do anything to add any value on top of Reddit&#x27;s own design. But isn&#x27;t that value-add part of the reason these apps exist in the first place?

&gt; Reddit wanted 2.50&#x2F;month&#x2F;app which is like $30 ARPUAnd they couldn&#x27;t figure out how to transition to it without causing a shitstorm.

If it&#x27;s that low they could have just locked 3rd party apps behind a reddit premium account with some reasonable rate limits for non commercial use. So similar to what Spotify does.Wouldn&#x27;t have got nearly as much backlash.

This isn&#x27;t over one app. Many (most?) the app makers have noted the change is unsustainable for them.One way to look at it is that Apollo, the app you&#x27;re referencing that was able to charge $10 a year, would have to charge 2.5 times as much just to cover the access fees, and not any of their own overhead, much less allow for profit.The issue here is that the ARPU calculation and assumptions are wrong. Is reddit losing out on that entirely if someone comes to them from a separate interface but still is served through them? Also, it&#x27;s just too optimistic. Reddit has revenue of less than a dollar per site user (or maybe slightly more than a dollar now?). Most references I&#x27;m seeing showed reddit with an ARPU of well under $1 in 2021, closer to half a dollar. Are we expected to believe there&#x27;s been a 40x increase in a year, or that after all the years reddit has functioned they&#x27;ll be able to achieve that in the near future?

The entire goal of these API changes is to intentionally price third-party app developers out of the market without imposing a strict blanket-policy ban.And the goal of this is to attempt to further monetize the platform on the backs of other people&#x27;s content by forcing them to see as many ads and upsell opportunities as possible.And the goal of this is to appear more appealing to current and future investors in order to drive up the IPO price and build demand.And the goal of this is to make those with significant equity stake filthy rich.The issue is that the changes they&#x27;re trying to make are inherently hostile to the community whose free content and moderation has made the platform what it is today. And if the community decides to leave the platform and not come back, then regardless of potential for extra ad revenue, the inherent value of the platform will disappear because ads will be shown to less and less users. This is assuming people leave and actually don&#x27;t come back, which remains to be seen.The whole &quot;front page of the internet&quot; idea was pretty neat, and is a stark contrast to the days where each internet community had their own niche forum somewhere. Maybe we&#x27;ll see some other platform overtake Reddit as the new front page of the internet, or maybe an old platform like Digg will make a resurgence. But that&#x27;s a tall ask when Reddit is now so entrenched in that space.Edit: technology -&gt; platform, in the last paragraph above.

Reddit has for years and years, and built their shoddy little website on that fact.

Reddit announced this price 30-days before they planned to enforce&#x2F;charge it. If there was any doubt at all that Reddit wasn&#x27;t trying to ban third-party apps with deniability, then that should settle it. That isn&#x27;t reasonable.Plus $2.5 to Reddit, means that apps need to charge $3.60 before 30% App-Store fees. But the app developer also needs new infrastructure to handle the billing, payment, and tracking, between end-users &amp; Reddit along with their existing overhead. So the current $1&#x2F;month aka $0.70&#x2F;month after fees they&#x27;re operating on likely isn&#x27;t sustainable.So now we&#x27;re looking at $3.60 to Reddit + the existing $1&#x2F;month = $4.6, but also all this new payment&#x2F;billing infrastructure. Could easily exceed $5&#x2F;month which frankly nobody is going to pay, and then get all this done in just 30-days even though that date is completely arbitrary from Reddit&#x27;s end.

&gt;ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million.He wasn&#x27;t literally offering to sell out for $10 million. What he was saying was that if Reddit was being honest with the claim that Apollo was costing them $20 million per year in server costs, the obvious business decision would be to offer to buy him out first, thus bringing in those users with much less friction.The fact that they&#x27;re instead choosing to be manipulative (unrealistically short period for apps to adapt, API prices far above what other services charge) indicates that the $20 million number is a lie made to make themselves seem less scummy.As it stands, Reddit hasn&#x27;t even tried even simpler solutions like returning ads in the API requests and requiring that the 3rd parties include those for free usage.

You are right and everyone else is wrong.

Reddit wanted 2.50&#x2F;month&#x2F;app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US.The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1&#x2F;month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million.Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.

Twitter too! When I worked there they jokingly referred to the head of product as the defense against the dark arts teacher, in that every year or so they&#x27;d disappear mysteriously and there&#x27;d be a new one. Most of Twitter&#x27;s successes came from watching what users were actually doing and supporting that (e.g., at mentions, retweets, quote tweets). Many of their failures have been trying to graft on something irrelevant or actively contradictory to user needs. Or just flat out ignoring things users liked, as with them closing down Vine and letting TikTok come in to win as the short, fun video platform.But network effects businesses are really hard to kill. Sure, Musk has set $20-30 billion on fire and Twitter is rapidly decaying. But imagine taking a resilient business like a McDonald&#x27;s franchise and subjecting it to Musk levels of chaos. It would have been out of business long before, instead of merely shrinking significantly.

It’s popular despite itself… but It’s not successful.One of the things Spez is whining about is that they’re not profitable.

Reddit is not going to change. It seems quite a few people don&#x27;t mind being abused a bit to get the convenience they want. Nothing&#x27;s going to happen.

I have a theory, after working for one of the UK’s largest social networks, that no-one who runs a social network understands what made it work or why it continues to work.Therefore they are extremely reluctant to make changes in case they break it (e.g. old twitter), and because they don’t understand it, any large changes they do make are generally negative (new twitter, Reddit).Plus, in my experience , users will bitterly resist any changes at all because the site doesn’t belong to management, it belongs to them. It’s their space. Changing anything is like someone’s snuck into their house at night and remodelled their lounge.It’ll be interesting to see whether this is Reddit’s Digg moment or it’s more like the Facebook newsfeed where everyone kicked up a fuss for a bit and then carried on as before.

What are the alternatives exactly?Until we get interoperating platforms where people can easily migrate and reward the places that treat them the best we are stuck with the few platforms that managed to create network lock-in.The social media as a prison operating model.

Reddit is proof of Internet Rule No.51 &quot;the better the content, the worse the User Interface&quot;

Mark Zuckerberg described Twitter as &quot;A clown car that fell into a gold mine.&quot;

They lasted long enough for there to be no real competitors.

I stopped visiting reddit after too many mods censored me and others that don&#x27;t conform to the left&#x27;s ideology.  Twitter is where I get content now.  And I&#x27;m a liberal.

It rode that beautiful wave of techno-optimism. An undeserving beneficiary of Aaron Swartz&#x27;s work.

There&#x27;s a term for this &quot;market effect&quot;.See also Twitter and Facebook and many other social networks that are objectively terrible platforms now (they all had periods of greatness that they fell from). Despite continually getting worse, the majority of people (tech and early adopters aside) will continue to use these sites no matter what because that is where their friends are, so they put up with it.There&#x27;s an app I have on my phone called Marco Polo. I hate every fucking thing about this app, the fact that it asks me to pay them $120 per year basically every morning as a full screen popup, the fact that it completely wrecks my battery life, the fact that they continue to block more (previously free) features behind paywalls, the fact that video records at like 8 fps (and still manages to destroy my battery by some miracle), the fact that they consume all of your friends contact lists and automatically befriends you with ex-girlfriends and people you would rather not talk to, and the worst sin of all, it completely resets your phone&#x27;s audio now-playing whenever you open it up. So if i am listening to a podcast or music and I get a marco polo and listen to it, I can&#x27;t just pick up listening to my previous audio when I am done. I have to re-open Spotify or Overcast to start playing again. But why do I use this monstrosity of an app? Because all my friends use it. We bitch about it everyday, but we are all on it and we all use it to talk multiple times a day between eachother. It has market effect. I want nothing more than for this app to die, but market effect keeps it around.

Not weird at all. This is the problem of the modern internet.There has always been a controversy over the relationship between success and competence.Two-sided markets are so powerful that you can run one very poorly (e.g. craiglist…) or even actively try to run one into the ground (Musk and Twitter) and they will persist anyway, so the good luck of being in the right place at the right time can mask incompetence, particularly when that incompetence develops over time (see the Peter Principle)If there wasn’t a powerful force keeping people into bad platforms there wouldn’t be an “enshittification” problem, because people would vote with their feet and bad platforms would immediately feel the consequences of their actions.

Reddit is basically successful despite itself.  It&#x27;s wild.

…until people stop using it because other people stopped using it. They are playing with fire.

It&#x27;s the classic network effect. People use it because other people use it.

Fair enough. Usually this is the stance I would take in these sorts of discussions, since usually power users misunderstand how much they represent the majority of users.But in this case I would expect that a substantial part of active users use Reddit with a 3rd party app so I&#x27;m inclined to say a lot of people will stop using it because of the passive way it is used.I could be wrong and that is why I&#x27;m commenting. I can go back to this comment in 2-3 years. My feeling is that Reddit will have shrunk by that time

Oh? Thanks so much for telling me what goes on in my head, bub.The average bit of user-generated content is of very low quality. Which is why pretty much any successful platform, this one included, uses user-generated signals to filter the good stuff to the top. And any social context is prone to vicious circles where dark triad find somewhere successful and ruin it. Preventing that requires active weeding. All of that is labor I value.The platform deserves some credit. But as all the developers here know, Reddit is not succeeding on the strength of its software. Reddit doesn&#x27;t have a technology moat. It&#x27;s a pretty standard web forum. They didn&#x27;t invent it, they didn&#x27;t perfect it, and not only could it be replicated, it has been many times.So should the platform get paid? Definitely. Reddit-the-corporation should have enough cashflow to cover the bills and support the necessary staff. But right now the tail is trying to wag the dog, and Reddit-the-community is not having it.

Tell me you&#x27;ve never moderated a sizeable online community without telling me you&#x27;ve never moderated a sizeable online community.

&gt;It&#x27;s the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I&#x27;m not going back.You go there for the user content, not the mods. You can say mods cultivate communities, but to say that they deserve credit but not the admins or platform itself seems untenable.Furthermore, insinuations that the API changes will lead to a substantial decline in community quality via its impact on moderation seem to be broadly unsupported. It&#x27;s unclear that there&#x27;s a monotonic relationship between moderator power and community quality, similar to how most people would be skeptical of an argument that said that there&#x27;s a monotonic relationship between state power (irl) community quality. For example, one thing that moderators have wanted to do in the past is create cross-subreddit blacklists. The admins pushed back on this with some success, which was probably healthy for the site as a whole.

Same. One thing that I&#x27;ve noticed is that this seems to be a rebellion of power users and not the average Joe, which is why this has gotten so much traction on HN. To the Average Joe, if Apollo shuts down, they&#x27;ll just download the Reddit app. However, HN users look at the Apollo dev and see themselves, so they&#x27;re jumping on this out of solidarity.I personally think this will last a few days and then all the default subs will either open by mod decisions or be forced open by Reddit admins. If it&#x27;s the latter, I expect all existing mods to get the boot and replaced with people who are friendlier with Reddit admins. I also expect that usage of the official app will jump and there won&#x27;t be any major disruptions to Reddit usage.

Same. Regardless of how they&#x27;ve bumpy the pay increase and related comms have been, it&#x27;s their platform. Nobody uses third party apps to access Pinterest, tiktok, Facebook, ig, or any other major internet property and I don&#x27;t see a problem with reddit running their company to make money. Yeah it sucks that Apollo, rif, etc all are getting shut down.

I will probably do too but much less frequently. Apollo increased my reddit engagement, without it mu usage will likely fall back to the occasional scroll 1-2 times a day.Might not be a bad thing tbh

Uh doesn&#x27;t Reddit owe its community 10% per sama&#x27;s Series B article <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.samaltman.com&#x2F;reddit" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.samaltman.com&#x2F;reddit</a> ?
&quot;So, the Series B Investors are giving 10% of our shares in this round to the people in the reddit community, and I hope we increase community ownership over time.&quot;
Whatever happened to this? Will we end up getting it before or after sama gives us UBI, open AI, and fusion completely altruistically?

To be fair I think Reddit predates &quot;web 2.0&quot; by a big gap. Which is probably why they were successful; they did it before everyone else.

The joke definition of Web 2.0: You make the content, we make the money.Well, don&#x27;t piss off the content makers, or the content consumers.

Its community knowledge, just like wikipedia right now. Infact someone mentioned in another thread that maybe thats the ownership structure Reddit should have had.

I&#x27;ll just be here for tech news, and other sites for my niche interests. Nothing of true value will be lost to me.

Same here. I just blacklisted Reddit on my pihole. Just in case I forget and accidentally visit it.

Is it possible that reddit tried to pull of the same monetization trick as twitter, however they forgot to check with the target audience. And that public is really stretched financially, it does not consist of establishment figures who have an extra five dollars to spare for their hobby.But how is it possible that the reddit bosses don&#x27;t know who their users are?

Great! There&#x27;s a picket line I won&#x27;t be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit.The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It&#x27;s the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I&#x27;m not going back.

The subreddits didn&#x27;t organize around a single point in time across all timezones. It&#x27;s generally the 12th and 13th, but it&#x27;s not yet the 12th everywhere. Give it a couple of hours. In the last 8 minutes alone 14 new subs went private.

Is it? It&#x27;s not about the size (lookup how many subs are in total). It&#x27;s about sending a messageThere&#x27;s more than 5000 subs. There are millions of them. These are big subs

It was 662 for me too when I opened the site, i&#x27;ve been scrolling a bit trough the site and it is 668 already, and the site showed notifications for those extra reddits. They seem to be closing fast.

12.5%? That&#x27;s roughly 1 in 8 subreddits

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;backlinko.com&#x2F;reddit-users" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;backlinko.com&#x2F;reddit-users</a>As of now, six of the top ten subreddits have disabled posting. That doesn&#x27;t seem tiny to me

2 subreddits with more than 20 million subscribers, 1 subreddit with more than 10 million, 23 with more than 1 million subscribers, 18 with more than 500K, 32 with more than 250K... seems like it&#x27;s beginning to add up to me and it&#x27;s only 7:40 CEST.I&#x27;m shutting down roughly 50 just before midnight CEST and I expect things to accelerate with the date change at GMT.

Can someone clarify how they decided to feature these 5279 subreddits? Are these the subreddits whose mods decided to participate? Or are these the largest subreddits? Or is there some other factor?

Lets see how the strong Reddit&#x27;s network effect is when tested.

662&#x2F;5279 = 0.12540253836looks too tiny tbh.

When was a last time a big and popular social mediaish or like platform properly died? Media companies have not survived, but platforms seem to have been sticky or then I just haven&#x27;t used them.

So I think it&#x27;s relatively clear that Reddit doesn&#x27;t _want_ to reach some kind of deal with 3rd party apps, but honestly, I think that if they _had_ wanted that, most of these apps could have survived with a much smaller userbase of paying customers. I would have paid the $3-5&#x2F;month it would have cost to keep my preferred app. And while yes, it definitely would have been fewer people, my guess is that it would have been enough to worth continuing. And if Reddit had been willing to figure out some kind of deal with ads, it might have been even more.

I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s inevitable, but it&#x27;s clear at this point that people are unwilling to pay $ for access to the content in the forms we know now. I think until we find a better way of having people pay for content and curation, we&#x27;re likely to see this happen again. That said, Reddit has (so far) lasted a decade on the throne, which is a third of the life of the www. It&#x27;s not like there&#x27;s anoter competitor sitting there ready to dethrone it so I suspect it&#x27;s here for another while.

It is astonishing to watch the enshittification of Reddit and StackExchange at the same time.I would say, as much as there is such a thing and it can be dated, Jun 9, 2023 was the end of Web 2.0 -- we found out reddit is not backing down and SE has disabled the backup job to archive.org. For SE the death march to enshittification has been much clearer, starting with the hiring of the new CEO, the firing of community managers to recently first completely ignoring and then going against the community on AI. Reddit just has been mostly wasting their time and money until they realized they need to make money and as Doctorow says, the siren song of enshittification is irresistible.

Link to the same article on his personal blog: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pluralistic.net&#x2F;2023&#x2F;01&#x2F;21&#x2F;potemkin-ai&#x2F;#hey-guys" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pluralistic.net&#x2F;2023&#x2F;01&#x2F;21&#x2F;potemkin-ai&#x2F;#hey-guys</a>Why? It&#x27;s right the header:&gt; No trackers, no ads. Black type, white background. Privacy policy: we don&#x27;t collect or retain any data at all ever period.

Yes: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow&#x2F;</a>First, platforms are good to users to attract them. Then, they abuse users to attract advertisers. Then, once they think they have a moat, they abuse both sides to extract as much money as possible before it all crashes down.

You are fighting a straw man you yourself erected. Nobody believes they have a right to reddit but nor does reddit have a right to viewership. They are trying to leverage the value their communities bring to the platform. There is nothing morally wrong with this.

When the most dedicated users are fundamentally hostile to the idea that the social media site may need to limit features for the sake of profitability, it seems likely. Rhetorically the activists here are a step or two away from treating Reddit as a public utility and free API access as a human right. At least until they shift focus to finding wrongthinkers that they want to ban again, then we&#x27;ll shift back to the usual &quot;it&#x27;s a private platform sweetie and your presence has negative value&quot; smugness.

Yes, if you want to keep that sweet growth. If you are OK staying where you are as a relatively niche outlet (like HN), you are safe. But transitioning to the general public stage will require you to sell your soul. No getting around that.

&gt; Here I think Reddit fails by having a global karma count instead of one that&#x27;s localized to the &#x27;state&#x27; and subreddit you&#x27;re on.This information exists and is maintained on the backend.Pull up your profile on old.reddit and click on &quot;show karma breakdown by subreddit&quot;.Note that this isn&#x27;t publicly available (&#x2F;u&#x2F;johnsmith1234568 has 1k karma in &#x2F;r&#x2F;someIdeoligcalSub - they&#x27;re banned from participating here).

Complete with a police force and secret service.Of course an independent judiciary system to keep the powers at be in check.I&#x27;m going to be a virtual lawyer that specializes in subreddit law.

I&#x27;ve long thought that the only way to make a sustainable social media platform is to have it be controlled by its contributors.Governance is human problem and not a technical one. We have a few millennia of experience organizing and governing human effort, yet the control structure of every subreddit is akin to some kind of Oligarchy with unelected moderators wielding considerable power. These moderators in turn are at the mercy of the Oligarchical Reddit admins.A better system would be to offer different governance types as a choice for organizing the subreddit. Have different types of built in voting mechanisms if people want to use them but still allow &#x27;dictator&#x27; subreddits if people want to use them.Set up a revenue sharing system where each subreddit gets the portion of money they generate for Reddit. Allow the governance structure the subreddit has decided on to dictate the way those funds are split between moderators and contributors.Then set up some sort of governance structure that rolls up the Subreddits. As an American I&#x27;m biased towards the way the US does things but I&#x27;m sure there are other good ways to do this as well. You could have the equivalent to &#x27;states&#x27; similar to the sections of a newspaper: Sports, Entertainment, Money, Technology, Travel, etc. with the equivalent of &#x27;counties&#x27; within those (football, baseball, basketball or books, video games, movies, etc).Replace the corporate Reddit structure with the equivalent of a federal government: have the &#x27;states&#x27; hold a &#x27;constitutional convention&#x27; and delimit powers that the corporation should have and reserve every other right to the individual &#x27;states&#x27;. Then you can have some kind of election system that governs the corporation, CEO being equivalent to president, etc.Then you have a system that broadly aligns the interests of the participants and provides mechanisms for information to be transmitted when needed for decision making.---The other problem that social media needs to solve is that of anonymity and content presentation. Here I think Reddit fails by having a global karma count instead of one that&#x27;s localized to the &#x27;state&#x27; and subreddit you&#x27;re on. If they did that then users could actually gain reputation and credibility within the context of a space.They also should offer identity services that allow the verification of information like employment, citizenship, education, etc. that some subreddits have their own haphazard mechanisms for verifying. This would allow moderators to leverage this type of credential more easily and users to have more trust in sharing them (because they&#x27;re sharing with Reddit proper not some random subreddit moderator).Finally, they should have some sort of verification system that lets users tie their accounts to their real identity. Obviously anonymous accounts should still be allowed but this type of verification system tamps down on many of the problems that social media platforms face.---If anyone wants to fund the development of a platform like this let me know lol

The fact that he isn’t keeping his free labor force happy is the problem. Other companies put hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of staff into moderation. This moron has people doing that FOR FREE and he’s pissing them off.Seriously, do you have any clue how much just YouTube alone spends on content moderation? Or Facebook? These are absolutely massive investments.

This is 99% manufactured drama by the power mods wanting to be able to keep modding 100+ subreddits with their 3rd party tools and AI companies wanting to mine reddit data for free. The fact that Spez has let them do it for this long has probably put him in the hot seat.

That&#x27;s just how most VC-funded projects run. Give away the product for free to build a community. Once it&#x27;s large enough, start building the real money making products and start exploiting said community. Then IPO&#x2F;get acquired and fuck off with money.

That is true of any business, as long as the business model does not align incentives.

Is the inevitable fate of any social media site to be antagonistic to its most dedicated users?

yes, we are waiting, the main thing would be their content and their communities. it&#x27;s definitely not about the platform, but how it would be built and govern by the creator.

Typically Discord, but Discord has its own issues.  When the Digg meltdown happened, Reddit was already a Digg clone at the time (this was the days before subreddits).

Most communities seem to be moving over to Discord, which is by no means a valid Reddit replacement (in my opinion at least) but it is the only option with decent popularity and moderation tools that are not completely unusable at scale. Lemmy is being thrown around as a &quot;proper&quot; Reddit alternative, but realistically it will probably meet the same fate as Mastodon: plenty of people will try it for a week or so, only to realize that the platform sucks and the content simply isn&#x27;t there.

If Discord wins, we all lose. Even dead forums, online and searchable, are more valuable than live chatrooms.

So far the best alternative that I&#x27;ve seen was Squabbles.io
A lot of communities seem to be moving towards Discord. It has announcements, posts, chat, etc.

It doesn&#x27;t seem like it would be that difficult to clone the main elements of reddit. Hopefully someone is building one.

The user experience is easy to duplicate; getting good mods with good participants, blocking spam and bots, and scaling are the thing that will be hard to duplicate.

TikTok is def eating into Reddit. People only have so much time to look at stuff and TikTok is taking a lot of it.

I don’t think Reddit being replaced is as much of a given as everyone seems to think. People might simply get tired of the concept altogether. Nobody needs a vote based link aggregator thingy in their lives, and there is no shortage of social media in sight.

The fediverse has places like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kbin.social&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kbin.social&#x2F;</a> or there are instances of Lemmy, (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;join-lemmy.org&#x2F;instances" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;join-lemmy.org&#x2F;instances</a>) but most people will want to avoid the &quot;main&quot; lemmy instances for places like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beehaw.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beehaw.org&#x2F;</a>The main lemmy instance is under heavy load and its admins definitely have their own political slant, and if you&#x27;re not comfortable with that (most aren&#x27;t) it&#x27;s best to find a different one or make your own instance.

Lemmy, tildes, and arguably pixelfed for those subreddits that were image heavy.

I don’t know, but hey you heard about that Ukrainian cat themed dating sim?

I think they&#x27;re right. Lemmy&#x2F;Kbin exist, but they&#x27;re not ready for it. They&#x27;re in a worse (less mature) place than Mastodon was with Twitter, and even that was rough.With no alternative i think Reddit will be fine in this storm. I see many posts on Kbin&#x2F;Lemmy discussing Reddit addiction, how they can leave it, etc, and those are niche people. The majority of Reddit users i suspect won&#x27;t even know anything is wrong in a week. I suspect at worst Reddit will start suffering from lack of mods, but that&#x27;s a solvable problem. Especially with IPO coming, they&#x27;ve got incentive to solve it in a way that they control with an iron fist.Regardless this event, similar to Twitter with Mastodon, has brought a large number of &quot;new normals&quot; to Kbin, Lemmy, etc. I myself am looking far closer at ActivityPub, working on my own implementation that iterops with the existing ecosystem.I actually think this will be quite good for the &quot;fediverse&quot;. If not from massive direct usage, it will highlight scaling woes with the protocol, etc. Hopefully the next time this happens the Fediverse can be in a more mature position to leave CEOs like Spez feeling less invincible.

Voat won the show last time, then it capsized and sunk.

Another thing they&#x27;re betting on is that most users could care less about this, if they&#x27;re even aware of it. Some very popular subreddits are going dark, and I&#x27;d bet as many users get angry at the mods of those subreddits than get mad at the C-suite of Reddit. In any case, most will just come back later after this is all done.

Have you checked out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tilde.net" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tilde.net</a> - I’m not connected to it (not even a registered user) but it looks solid.

&gt; the difference is that they are betting on the fact that right now there is no immediately obvious alternative, like Reddit was to Digg a decade ago.Discord.I know, I know—it&#x27;s built for real-time chat, it&#x27;s harder to search, etc etc... but a lot of subreddits already have associated Discord servers. I could see a lot of communities naturally migrating there. Maybe as a temporary stop-gap, maybe permanently.Younger people in particular seems to use Discord for things I would think belong on a forum.

Did the digg migration have anything to do with bad management or appeasing investors?

They of course know (at the time of the mass Digg exodus Reddit specifically changed their alien icon to welcome Digg refugees), but the difference is that they are betting on the fact that right now there is no immediately obvious alternative, like Reddit was to Digg a decade ago.

Having the code is fine but they do have infrastructure and the architecture of it which is necessary to run the site. That part someone else will need to figure out again over time and optimize.

The Reddit source is out there, mercifully sans all the redesign code. It would just be a matter of funding + will.

I’d be really sad if HN turned into Reddit, tbh.

You&#x27;d need a bunch of dangs to mod every conceivable interest group, like soccer and German politics.You probably also want to make it a bit more modern, supporting images and video, or those subs won&#x27;t come here.Plus scaling is not trivial. There&#x27;s a gap between being the nerds&#x27; text-only board and the board for everything.

Not sure what the relation between YC and Reddit is these days, but wouldn&#x27;t HN be in the prime position to take over? I feel all that is needed is to add sub-hn&#x27;s.Then where would all the hn users go? I&#x27;m still mad I couldn&#x27;t get a lobster.rs account 10 years ago, so I&#x27;m not going there. And I most definitely don&#x27;t want to use a website that the average person has heard of.

Shhhhh! They don&#x27;t all know about HN!

&gt; wouldn&#x27;t HN be in the prime position to take over?I really hope not. It would be the eternal September for HN.

My hunch is that a decent bit of tech-Reddit will migrate to HN. But more general stuff, no.

I think lobsters might be better, it&#x27;s very much like HN, but I think it being open source and looking at the code it wouldn&#x27;t be too hard to have sub groups.

Not sure what the relation between YC and Reddit is these days, but wouldn&#x27;t HN be in the prime position to take over? I feel all that is needed is to add sub-hn&#x27;s. Reddit got Digg&#x27;s business because Digg gambled away all of it&#x27;s good will. That was a long time ago, Reddit since been going down the same path.Point is, all these companies are trying to monetize, generate profits, like they somehow responsible for the value the users are creating. All they&#x27;re doing is hosting bunch of python scripts.Swallow your pride reddit, you&#x27;re nothing but a message board and you don&#x27;t own a single word your users type.

Necessity is the mother of invention.A CRUD app with a UX so bad people feel the need to use third-party clients isn’t exactly a moat. Half the people here could scaffold a Reddit clone in a week or less.

This is different. Maybe you are referring to the Voat thing a few years ago when people were mad about the &quot;fatpeoplehate&quot; subreddits being banned. As it turns out, only a vocal minority opposed that move and left Reddit.This is Reddit-wide, with several mainstream subreddits with millions of users going private, i.e. inaccessible.

&gt; The easiest tell is that nobody in the comments is posting alternatives. I remember during the digg migration, people unhappy with digg would post on digg telling everyone to try reddit.You&#x27;re reading different comments than I am. There&#x27;s loads of Lemmy discussion in my corners. A few trolls shilling rDrama, too.

&gt; I hope the people currently in charge of Reddit know how that event played out...People have been saying this for 10+ years. No reddit alternative has proven to be viable. So the people at reddit know that &quot;mass migration&quot; is an empty threat. Where will you go instead? That&#x27;s right. No where. Rather than quickly bleeding out like digg, reddit has simply achieved a stable stagnant equilibrium. It doesn&#x27;t grow, it doesn&#x27;t shrink. It just stagnates and rots.The easiest tell is that nobody in the comments is posting alternatives. I remember during the digg migration, people unhappy with digg would post on digg telling everyone to try reddit.

Yeah, this isn&#x27;t anything like Digg&#x27;s ending. If you think it was, you weren&#x27;t there.

I think its important to remember that digg was changing the way content was generated and promoted to users. They kneecapped the entire democratic principles of the site, and reddit, a site entirely based on democratic promotion, was waiting in the wings.Reddit on the other hand is changing how content is accessed on their site, but not changing the visibility or generation of that content. And if 3rd party apps are very important to those users, it&#x27;s hard to find an alternative to plug in to.

Flashback to Digg.com...  I hope the people currently in charge of Reddit know how that event played out... it was the single most significant stroke of luck a fledgling Reddit could have possibly hoped for.

In which case, could I interest you in a list of lists of lists?<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_lists_of_lists" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_lists_of_lists</a>

It’s honestly better for subreddit discovery than anything reddit has made in the last 5 years.Off topic, but giant lists of things are seriously underrated. I’d speculate that a large majority of the sites with a “Recommended for you” section would be much better served by a giant list.

There is a IRC channel for the same effect (useful as it uses less cpu, ram and bandwidth), #reddark at irc.hackint.org:6697, hanging out with the people from Archive Team too, who are achieving reddit at the moment (in #shreddit, same server)<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webirc.hackint.org&#x2F;#irc:&#x2F;&#x2F;irc.hackint.org&#x2F;reddark" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webirc.hackint.org&#x2F;#irc:&#x2F;&#x2F;irc.hackint.org&#x2F;reddark</a> for a webclient

I don&#x27;t see r&#x2F;politics or r&#x2F;worldnewsNot sure why. Maybe I&#x27;m missing something about what they chose to display.edit: I see now, as it clearly says at the top of the page, it’s for subreddits that “are going dark or read-only on June 12th and after”

Doesn&#x27;t show the sub I mod though, and the search box isn&#x27;t working for me.

They put an impressive amount of work into that site. There are notifications and an autoupdating counter, and even a livestream. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.twitch.tv&#x2F;reddark_247" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.twitch.tv&#x2F;reddark_247</a>

What power?  Reddit can just takeover the subs and turn them back on.

It&#x27;s a demonstration of power; a sampler. This is a common strategy. You want to show them that you have the power so that serious negotiations can begin anew without disrupting the service you want to provide.

It doesn&#x27;t make sense to go all-in all at once. You need to have leverage afterwards as well.Also you have to think about the media coverage. This way you have two times the possible media coverage instead of just once and then everybody forgets about it.

Ideally yes, but the opposite is going to happen. They&#x27;re gonna push their heads so far their asses they&#x27;re gonna hit the stomach.CEO and everyone that though this is the way to monetize need to go.

Mods get free API usage. It’s only for 3rd party apps. It seems the Apollo dev has been throwing around some misinformation.

The endgame should simply be:1. Reddit management gets their head out of their asses and negotiates a better change to API fees and structure. Throughout this whole ordeal everyone else (Apollo dev, mods, etc.) has made extremely reasonable points, but Reddit management seems to be gaslighting and arguing in bad faith at every turn.2. If management doesn&#x27;t change, Reddit should die. Why should all these mods donate huge amounts of time to a platform that disrespects them at every turn?

Subs are not some abstract things where you just slap a new mod on and it&#x27;s all fine. You may be abke to do this in extreme cases but there is no way this works for thousands of subs

Reddit has taken over &quot;abandoned&quot; subreddits in the past and replaced the moderation teams. By making this temporary, the moderators of topic-based subreddits can continue to organize their communities, including organized migration to new places like Discord.

Eventually people would just start replacement subreddits and the powermods would be left with jack shit

What&#x27;s the endgame here?  Why even turn the subs back on?  The admins have made their intentions clear enough, I think.

Victoria Taylor blackout in 2015?also ... nothing.

does anybody remember what net neutrality was about? That&#x27;s right redditors memory is probably less than 48h long

Don’t you remember the Reddit net neutrality blackout? That did… uh… raise… awareness… kinda?

Why only 2 days? This could happen again or it could keep going. Thus shows reddit what they are without all the freely contributed content and mod work.

I don&#x27;t know how widespread the sentiment is, but some mods have decided after the disastrous AMA that they&#x27;re going dark indefinitely, until Reddit walks back the changes.

If my Reddit communities are making polls, I won&#x27;t even know to vote &quot;keep it dark&quot;. I don&#x27;t cross picket lines.

Many are now committing to either going dark indefinitely, or to reassess after the 14th, maybe with a poll to their members on how to proceed. This will definitely be going on for more than 2 days.

Yes, I think it does. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36283553">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36283553</a>

Only means Reddit is going to end for me a few weeks early :(

It would not matter if that were the only thing occurring, but as a discrete event in a significant cluster of events, this leads to more awareness and more reassessments by communities looking at what value and future reddit actually provides.

Also, quite some people seem to be removing their accounts along with all their post history. Maybe not in numbers that are significant to make it a ghost town, but in some subreddits you already see gaps appearing in prior discussions.For some niches, Reddit&#x27;s comment history is basically like a knowledge base and it&#x27;s slowly being torn apart. If the group of signal-noise contributors that nukes their whole history grows, it devalues Reddit in another way as well.

The initial plan was 2 days. Then Spez did his AMA where it was clear they were not interested in compromising, not planning to change anything, even seeing the enormous protest forming.So while some subreddits are still planning on 2 days, a growing number of them are going dark indefinitely until reddit rolls back this plan.

History is littered with fits and starts of people working together to bring about change.It does matter that people have identified a trend of corporate behavior, and are finding ways to take stands against it.

If they do it for more than 2 days , other subs will spring upDo people forget that making a subreddit is free?

Does subreddits going dark for 2 days matter? Seems like an insignificant ampunt of disruption to make much of a difference, or am I wrong?

Let’s hope Reddit consumes itself in this peer struggle.

Reddit mods are addicted to power. If they don&#x27;t ban anyone for 48 hours, they get the shakes.

The third-party apps shutting down on July 1st will be the real test.  If Reddit notices a significant drop in traffic on that day, they will probably start walking back the change.  I agree that this boycott, while the intention is good, won&#x27;t do much.

Besides this boycott is at best useless, most are only going offline for 48 hours; it should be permanent until they reverse the decision if they were being sincere.

It’s impressive what a determined, vocal minority can achieve with just a bit of  drama. I hope this ends quickly so everyone else can get back to aimlessly doomscrolling on Reddit.

Oh, well if spez says it, it must be true!

That’s for all actions, including auto moderator actions. I understand that the % of manual mod actions is closer to 30% on 3PA.

This leaves out a significant share of how moderators use the API, which is for bots and external services that augment moderation without actually doing the moderating.Example, a mod at &#x2F;r&#x2F;music remarked last week that they’ve been paying a few bucks a month to host a server for some additional features for years. It’s common to use some automation to summon mods in a discord so someone near a computer can execute the moderating, since the mobile tools are so limited.And ofc as other uses pointed out, that’s 3% of a sum including the vast number of auto moderator mod actions taken on the site, which are not really human originated at all.

Official stats showed that only 3% of moderation actions come from 3rd party apps, this was just a made up argument all along.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;reddit&#x2F;comments&#x2F;145bram&#x2F;addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;reddit&#x2F;comments&#x2F;145bram&#x2F;addressing_...</a>

The first party app is pretty garbage and the mobile experience tries to continually redirect you to the garbage app. Honestly if that was the only experience available I never would have started using reddit.

Source? My concern is that the 3rd party tools will shutdown or stagnate if usage drops to basically just mods. Reddit doesn&#x27;t support mods, so it&#x27;s looking grim.

Afaik, mods get free Reddit API usage for any tools. There’s been some misinformation being thrown around that claims they also are subject to the API price changes.

I can answer your last question. Very few reddit users (as a % of the whole) actually subscribe to advertiser-valuable subreddits. Any targeted ads on Reddit have tiny tiny inventories.The rest of the ad inventory is more or less anonymous and gives very poor roi to spend ads against. That&#x27;s why Reddit has a total revenue of like $100m vs $50b+ for facebook.

If they hadn&#x27;t blatantly tried to slander him personally and had given a reasonable price or timeline for the price changes, people wouldn&#x27;t be nearly as upset.All of this has left a sour taste in their mouths. They also see the writing on the wall; they&#x27;ll shut down old.reddit.com, push more ads via the official app, and continue to milk as much money as possible.The claim that it&#x27;s not profitable seems kind of crazy to me. They have a huge amount of data on their users to target ads. It&#x27;s mostly text content so the bandwidth shouldn&#x27;t be horrible. Maybe I&#x27;m naive, but how can Facebook make so much money and yet they can&#x27;t make a profit? It smells like poor management to me.

Usually I am anti-internet stunts like this. The vast majority of boycotts are dumb wastes of time.That said, Reddit should have built better mod tools before making their api change.I think people complaining about not having 3rd party apps to browse reddit is &quot;meh&quot;. But moderators need to be able to do their jobs.

&gt; I don’t think the third parties costs Reddit moneyWhat is this based on? All of the third party clients that I&#x27;ve used don&#x27;t show reddit ads, so as long as I&#x27;m using the client, it&#x27;s a cost sink for reddit. I don&#x27;t contribute content.

The thing I think this conversation should be about is how horrible their site is.I don’t think the third parties costs Reddit money, I think if anything they keep the user base inclusive of people with disabilities and allow people who wouldn’t deal with their trash UX to still generate content for those who do.The lack of UX investment on their end is shocking.

&gt;For the &quot;front page of the internet&quot; it sure looks like a bad Twitter clone.The worst part is that they try to enforce it. Back when I used Reddit, I set old reddit as default in my settings, but Reddit would randomly switch me to the new interface in an attempt to wean me off the superior interface. Makes you wonder how profitable Reddit could be if they didn&#x27;t spend so much money ruining their UI.

On Apollo, I have the UI configured to omit previews of images and videos, it’s also high density. It basically looks like HN.

This is what I see: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;ueQfJsc.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;ueQfJsc.png</a>. Huge cookies popup, I don&#x27;t even see one full post immediately. When scrolling the feed I mostly see 2 posts, sometimes a bit of a third one. With old.reddit.com it&#x27;s a compact list where you see a lot more content at once.Also I found reading comments in new UI to be terrible, they load maybe one comment from 2-3 levels down, and everything else requires you to click to load more: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;C6DXttC.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;C6DXttC.png</a>.And what are those posts on the right? I _just_ opened a post that I&#x27;m interested in, do I have to be shoved samples from completely irrelevant communities.Also, try opening a post on new Reddit and then go back (in history) — for me the previous page loads from scratch, all the way on the top. Old reddit behaves as expected.The list probably goes on, but I never spent more than 5 minutes I did now to find out all the issues. I&#x27;m pretty sure one of the issues Reddit has with 3rd party apps is that they let you browse Reddit with old.reddit philosophy — see lots of content, choose what you find interesting, and make it easy to dig into the discussion. As opposed to shoving the content in my face and pushing me to only read one top-upvoted comment on each level

It’s just a tiny minority of nerds complaining about how what they think is theirs has changed

I don&#x27;t get it. If I log out and go to reddit.com I see it he &quot;Popular&quot; view with a pretty good looking UI, 4.5 &quot;cards&quot; per screen height, I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s what someone could mean by&gt; it&#x27;s shocking how terrible the site&#x27;s UI isOn the other hand old.reddit.com is just this super dense early 2000s kinda looking UI that I&#x27;d never use.Am I just in the minority here on what is considered good UI? Am I looking at the wrong thing?

I just deleted my reddit shortcuts. sighAnd when I went to log out of reddit, I got <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.redditstatic.com&#x2F;youbrokeit3.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.redditstatic.com&#x2F;youbrokeit3.png</a>

To self-reinforce my participation in the strike, I logged out of reddit and disabled Reddit Enhancement Suite and the Old.reddit Redirect add-ons, and looking at the front page without those improvements (which I&#x27;m sure a minority of users use) it&#x27;s shocking how terrible the site&#x27;s UI is for the uninitiated. For the &quot;front page of the internet&quot; it sure looks like a bad Twitter clone.

Oh no, gone for 48-hours... That will show &#x27;em! (meanwhile the Reddit IPO is in a few months..)It should be permanent if these boycotters want an effective outcome, but a 48-hours boycott sends the wrong message and just communicates that it is OK to do these sorts of shenanigans and all they will get a slap on the wrist.

Thanks for the filter, very useful! I&#x27;m keeping this on until Reddit backtracks.

It seems like you can just add &quot;reddit.com&quot; to &quot;My Filters&quot;, and it still works.

Oh god me too. Doom scrolling habit for sure. I had to remove the Apollo icon from my Home Screen to force myself to take part in the protest.

is there a way to achieve this on Android Chrome? that&#x27;s my prime gatewayi found myself unconsciously opening reddit.com and starting to scroll and consume content mindlessly ... only to realize after a few seconds that it happened... and then closing the browserI suspected i had a habit ...but only realizing now the autopilot effect of it

Great! For any other compulsive Reddit addicts out there with uBlock Origin installed, you can block Reddit as follows:Click uBlock Origin extension -&gt; click gears -&gt; click &quot;My Filters&quot; tab -&gt; paste this line||reddit.com^$all

As I predicted, nothing has happened or changed. Entirely useless “protest”.

My prediction is that the “strike” will be utterly useless. It will usher in the era of full-spectrum AI moderation faster. The world will keep turning, and most Reddit users simply won’t care that much.Cynical take? Certainly. I think this was always doomed to failure through eventual apathy.Do I want it to fail? Of course not, but it feels as poorly thought out as Occupy Wall Street did.

This is so sad. I hope Reddit doesn’t die, because there’s nothing to replace it, but I also hope that it stops all the horrible decisions it’s been taking in the last like 5 years? I miss the old reddit.

They raised $250m 2 years ago and have tripled their workforce since. Now they&#x27;re losing money of course but why do they need to IPO if they raised so much money recently?

Normally I&#x27;m the one saying &quot;well there&#x27;s a lot more going on behind the scenes than you know&quot;.But in this case: yeah it&#x27;s bizarre. How the hell are their official apps and mobile site and new desktop website so fucking awful, when solo&#x2F;small team app developers can actually provide a good experience working on the outside with a fraction of the resources?I&#x27;ve tried to switch from old.reddit to new.reddit a handful of different times now, every time I go screaming back after my eyes feel like they want to vomit. I don&#x27;t generally have a huge problem with modern web design, but their particular implementation just really sucks.

That&#x27;s their main problem. No the APIs but wasting an enormous amount of resources and for what? so they can host videos and gifs themselves? Greed is a very effective way to destroy things.

I found out yesterday that they have 2000 employees.I realize most of these people are not engineers but what in the hell have they been spending their time on. Terrible

The only thing I&#x27;ve seen PMs used for is harassment. And how about the &quot;reddit cares&quot; suicide prevention tool? Just another tool for abuse by trolls.

I’m telling you, the avatars that are also NFTs are absolutely the bees knees.

I open that chat at least once a month.Then I immediately close it when I realize I clicked the wrong thing. I wonder how much that inflates their stats for it and what the real compared to accidental usage rates are. It&#x27;s probably very telling.

I think you are taking too pessimistic a stance. For instance the new one-on-one chat feature is great, I’ve had some OnlyFans creators send me messages out the blue to tell me about what they’re up to and I’ve received info that will get me in early on some very lucrative crypto investments.

Do you mean “Legacy chat” or “Chat”?Apparently the chat feature released in 2020 that nobody used is now “legacy” and was replaced by a new tab which people will continue to not use. Why they didn’t migrate old chats over when deprecating is beyond me.No wonder they’re burning through money.

The chat which doesn’t show up on old.reddit? So if someone sends you a message on it you miss it? The one you have to disable on new.reddit so people only use PMs? I missed tons of sales on BST subs before realizing people were sending me chats on that.

Are you saying that you don&#x27;t use the _groundbreaking_ one-on-one chat functionality that is a) running against the entire point of their anonymous discussion platform and b) total crap?

This sounds a lot like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wiktionary.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;enshittification" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wiktionary.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;enshittification</a>

It uses the native iOS video player APIs, which (to my knowledge, it&#x27;s been a while since I tried) the official app doesn&#x27;t. Also overall, it follows a lot of the &quot;recommended&quot; iOS design guidelines and has the look and feel of an Apple-made app (fonts, long-press behaviour, slide elements to perform actions, haptic feedback, etc).

The “official app” on iOS is AlienBlue which Reddit bought. So to start with, Reddit relied on the work of a 3rd party developer to make it for them. They’ve since made it bloated and slow and full of ads.Whatever right? Pretty typical for an official app. But it’s slower and less efficient than all of the 3rd party apps now as they’ve continued to improve.But to me the problem is not only all of that, but they’re publicly ridiculing other apps (especially Apollo) for their “inefficient” use of the API when they’re all better than the official app.It’s all just insulting and tone-deaf and speaks to the narrative that they no longer care about a community and see users as $$$.

Reddit app used to preload all kinds of shit that would absolutely destroy your data usage. They appear to have fixed it. I used Apollo for a little bit and didn&#x27;t have any strong opinion on it.

A number of things. I&#x27;m comparing it to the website, though I think a lot of this holds true to the app as well.1. It loads content significantly more quickly than New Reddit (Reddit has done a lot to improve on this, but for a long time, the New Reddit™ was horrifically slow after scrolling through a few posts.)2. It doesn&#x27;t support any of the social media functions that the New Reddit provides, which, for me, is perfect because that&#x27;s not what I browse Reddit for. (You can turn all of that off in the New Reddit, though.)3. Way less busy than New Reddit, even if you use &quot;Classic&quot; view inside of &quot;Card&quot; view.4. You can disable infinite scroll in Apollo, whereas you can&#x27;t in New Reddit (and it&#x27;s not even supported in Old Reddit unless you use RES)5. The Apollo developer was insanely responsive to user feedback and was really, really good about incorporating as much as he could into the app (an iPad-native experience being the biggest exception).

What makes Apollo better than the official app and why is there such a discrepancy? (I haven&#x27;t used either.) I know the classic take is that the app is made for advertisers and not users, but I&#x27;m interested in what the actual difference is.

The cheek of Reddits management is incredible. They&#x27;ve taken hundreds of millions in VC money hired an army of developers and yet delivered nothing to improve the user experience. All we seem to have have got out of is new reddit, a terrible, slow facebook like version of the site and an absolutely terrible mobile app. Where the hell did the money go? They use the time, labour, creativity, stories, humour, talent, wisdom, advice, skills of their users to try and make themselves billionaires whilst delivering a hopeless piece of tech in return, thats only been made useable by others people writing software to make the site bearable, Reddit Enhancement suite, Apollo, RIF. And yet here they are ready to make it rubbish again to get their filthy lucre. The more I think about it the more infuriated I get.

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