You watched them appear to accidentally break both side windows then do the rest of the event with shattered windows.

I guarantee the flux capacitor will be extra.

What kind of design would you have gone for?

Would like to see a render that looks like this did.

Who would have thought that the comically ugly renders of a few weeks ago would turn out to be spot on? This was jaw dropping.

I’m unsure what to think. Kudos for breaking the mold, I guess.

This is how every Tesla presentation goes. It&#x27;s never been about Steve Jobs level presentation polish, it&#x27;s always been about the quality of the product.

He’s the CEO. It’s his job to represent the company. It’s his job to rehearse the slides.

I&#x27;m pretty sure Elon doesn&#x27;t rehearse these presentations at all. He&#x27;s had trivially-correctable wrong info on slides before, and had to explain it away during the presentation.

ye, Elon was sweating like crazy right after the blunder. I also thought the presentation could have been rehearsed a little bit better as the slides seem to be off most of the time (I assume Elon is just way too busy to rehearse these things).

they broke the armour glass on stage, maybe accident? maybe not?

During the demo of transparent metal glass Elon invited Franz to hit the glass with metal ball and it broke.  It wasn’t supposed to because it is extra hardened or something.

Here&#x27;s the timestamp of the presentation: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SwvDOdBHYBw&amp;t=7m22s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SwvDOdBHYBw&amp;t=7m22s</a>

You mean Tesla&#x27;s chief designer Franz von Holzhausen? I&#x27;m not so sure. ;)

Does he kill the guy who designed the glass or the guy who suggested trying it again on the rear window?

You think they will edit the glass demo out of the version they post?

Order page eventually went up, and my down payment went thru.

And the web team&gt; 429 Too Many Requests

Hahaha... probably.  I think it actually made the thing look a lot more bad-ass while he gave the rest of the presentation.  I own a Tacoma (and have owned a few) and I&#x27;ve had my truck broken into quite often.  Some places you don&#x27;t even want to park because they&#x27;re hot spots for getting your windows broken into (I&#x27;m looking at you Lombard Street).  This will be a bit of a deterrent to thieves which is nice.

Half-joking aside...I trust the glass will be fully bulletproof by end of year, if not some time next week.

Failed demo is a 100% totally intended publicity trick.

Elon walked off stage to kill the guy who designed the glass.

Cringe moment of the year when the glass broke

The rear-view mirror is a display that shows the back camera feed. In the prototype at least.

No side-view mirrors, you mean? Or is this lacking a rear-view mirror?

Interesting, the no rear-view mirror design is already approved by regulations and being deployed. Roadster shouldn&#x27;t be far now +.+

I watched the whole thing. The stream never went private.

For the 30 seconds I saw before the stream went private that car-truck-thing looked like something out of Total Recall

Performance is nuts as is affordability, looks like an evil cop or military truck in a dystopian future though.

Well, the steel ball didn&#x27;t go through which is pretty amazing still.

After announcing the prices, I was really hoping he&#x27;d say &quot;..and that&#x27;s without broken windows.&quot;

Not withstanding the grandeur of the truck, its unique look, and specs; I love Elon&#x27;s composure following the somewhat failed glass test that broke both windows on the vehicle during the live unveiling.

I&#x27;m not the one who would buy this as I live in Boston and drive a tiny car. But I thought it was really cool. Reminds me of futuristic cars from 80&#x27;s action movies.

Woah. I think it it&#x27;s actually pretty cool!

Yes, the year must have been of some cyberpunk future, because the look is right from there.I can&#x27;t but notice how the &quot;futuristic&quot; car designs from my childhood are now pretty common in mass-produced cars. I suggest the recent sci-fi movie esthetics are going to be common soon enough, and this truck is an example.

I literally checked my watch to see the date.

Those that drive trucks want it to show masculinity&#x2F;power.
This is just a triangle on wheels&#x2F;kids toy.

Well, trucks aren&#x27;t usually meant to look curved nor sleek. Those who drive trucks probably wouldn&#x27;t want one that looked that way.

An April Fools joke.. in November.This is possibly the ugliest car I have ever seen - its less lovable than the Aztek.. somehow.

This is nearly April fools joke level. Ignoring the individual aesthetic, it just stands in such stark contrast to the rest of the curved, sleek vehicles in their fleet.Surprising.

Same here, though the DMC car looked futuristic for its time. This is simply hideous, a meme of itself.Any idea what the curb weight is?

Any chance this is the chassis of SpaceX&#x27;s inevitable Mars Rover being tested on Earth first?

For me it is reminiscent of TARS from Interstellar.

Yeah, it&#x27;s like they took a Delorean, added an El Camino style bed and made the whole thing more rugged... and electric.Gas stations? Where we&#x27;re going, we don&#x27;t need gas stations!

reminds me of the Aston Martin Bulldog concept from &#x27;79
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It also looks like the cars in the original Total Recal<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hemmings.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;03&#x2F;the-futuristic-cars-of-total-recall&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hemmings.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2010&#x2F;02&#x2F;03&#x2F;the-futuristic-cars...</a>

I thought this was the car from Moonwalker. Was expecting it to turn into robot Michael Jackson. There&#x27;s no way this wasn&#x27;t modeled after that?

The part of the demo that was actually impressive was the part where they took sledgehammers to the body panels and didn&#x27;t leave dents. I think it&#x27;ll be fine.

Was thinking the same thing. Sounds expensive to repair. Leading to higher insurance premiums

Unlike a DeLorean, I don&#x27;t think a few rough weld marks would ruin the aesthetic of the Cybertruck.

The unpainted steel of the DeLorean made it a pain in the ass to repair. You can&#x27;t pull dents, apply body filler and repaint, you basically need a whole new panel if you want to restore damage.

I can&#x27;t be the only one who sees the design similarities to the Delorean, right? And to top it off it&#x27;s stainless steel...

Late 2021 delivery of the dual motor, late 2022 of the trimotor model

It is amazing how weird and poorly produced these things are. The cheesy outfits, the terrible lighting, the window demo failure. Its like they go out of their way to cut corners and look unprofessional to strike some kind of authenticity note. Like, obviously they&#x27;re not faking the demo, or the windows wouldn&#x27;t have broken. And the mumbling fumble&#x2F;botched-transition to the ATV...VH1 interns could produce a better event than this.

I&#x27;ve got a truck (an older Tacoma) and too many hobbies that make it hard to give up, so I&#x27;ll likely always have a truck.If Tesla had introduced a factory version of Simone&#x27;s, I&#x27;d be screaming at them to shut up and take my money.This thing...I&#x27;m sorry, I can&#x27;t get over the styling. I love the numbers, and don&#x27;t even find the pricing to be too horrible, but there&#x27;s no away I&#x27;ll have something that looks like that. Maybe Tesla truck 2.0 will be worth looking at.

This [0] is the Tesla pickup.[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;R35gWBtLCYg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;R35gWBtLCYg</a>

I was kind of hoping the Tesla pickup was going to be a reality. I was thinking of a cross between A model 3 and an F150 and was legitimately excited.If this is the &quot;Tesla Pickup&quot; count me as bitterly disappointed.

That&#x27;s the final look, what i&#x27;d like to see is more about that new ATV!

The video link stopped working halfway through for me, but that design isn&#x27;t final, right? Looks like an early prototype for integration testing- that angular look can&#x27;t be what it&#x27;ll actually ship like?

The tent&#x2F;camping mode looks cool. I’m excited to make an autonomous truck + RV my next home.

I feel like we&#x27;re going through a similar phase as the 50&#x27;s where all American cars had huge flarings that had no purpose, but they had aesthetic value. This thing is too much style for the sake of style. In some ways, it is cool - use aesthetics to market to masses, change the world - one gas guzzler at a time.

It reminds me of the walrus (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=carrier+command+original+walrus&amp;safe=active&amp;hl=en&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwizreCxg_3lAhVDPFAKHbaVBt8Q_AUoAXoECAwQAw&amp;biw=1680&amp;bih=907#imgrc=2dd7JG1G-wU1sM:" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=carrier+command+original+wal...</a>) in the original carrier command (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myabandonware.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;carrier-command-m6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myabandonware.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;carrier-command-m6</a>)

Oh yeah, the Pyro (GL?) looked absolutely awesome.

Kinda reminds me of the ships in the Descent series.

Reminds me of an old game I used to play where you drove around a blocky vehicle with a similar shape. Now I can&#x27;t stop trying to think of the name of it.EDIT: Was the link changed right after posting? Everyone&#x27;s talking about a failed glass demo with Elon and all I&#x27;m seeing is photos of an odd looking truck.

Eh, that portion of the truck crowd was never gonna go for a truck that doesn&#x27;t make loud ICE noises anyway.I think the goal was to look heavy duty (which it does), not big, which is for people with insecurity issues.

When I lived in rural Missouri, I was shocked at how many of my neighbors and colleagues were shelling out $70k for their pickup trucks.The price here is not a concern at all. The design.... not so sure about that.

Is the normal truck crowd going to latch onto a $70k truck?I think this is going to resonate really well with techies. Not a huge demographic, but one that can afford it.The market for sci-fi&#x2F;cyberpunk cars won&#x27;t be huge, but in exchange, this looks like it&#x27;ll capture _all_ of that market, as opposed to a small slice of a more conventional one.

Rest assured, if you slap a &quot;Punisher&quot; sticker on this thing, it will be welcome at any roadside bar in Texas.  It looks like the sort of thing the SEALs would roll up in.

I don&#x27;t think we can know how the market that buys pickup trucks will react to this without running the experiment.  Pickup truck buyers haven&#x27;t had the option of buying a pickup truck that doesn&#x27;t look like a conventional pickup truck.

Take a look at the FJ Cruiser, or the Wrangler. This fits right in with that look.There&#x27;s also a Chevy truck with a toy look... But I can&#x27;t remember the name.

People don’t buy cheap cars to belong to a demographic, they do it because they don’t have money for better generally

I agree that electric trucks are important to combat climate change, but wow. If their goal is to sell to the market that buys pickup trucks, I think the styling is way off the mark.Huge, beastly trucks are a status symbol and signalling to others that you are are certain demographic. Same reason some people buy cheap cars and add shiny wheels and lights. Same reason some people buy BMWs and Mercedes. These are all part of socioeconomic norms. I don&#x27;t see how the normal truck crowd will latch on to this.The specs are pretty impressive though. 500 mile range got my attention.

They made it to erase any doubt about an electric truck being tough.

Watching this was... cerebral. The impression I get is that Tesla made this truck because they wanted to, and they don&#x27;t really care too much what people think of it.

so assuming Elon launchs one of these into space heading for mars in the near future, will this thing drive on mars? Does the air pressurization system, super rugged shell, and ATV make this thing ideal for life as a martian?

I quite like the Paul Verhoeven &#x27;80s angular action movie aesthetic in general, but this just looks bad. The proportions are all off. I thought it was a joke and they were going to bring out the actual truck at some point.

There was a video?  Didn&#x27;t see anything on my phone just now.

I wonder if this video will be erased from the internet

This demographic will love the look. Have you seen pickups lately? The Big 3 have been chasing an industrial aesthetic for years. This was a very bold move and I feel very strongly that this will shake up the market.The specs are a truck lover&#x27;s dream. Most pickups are driving office dudes like me to our office jobs every day. We hate the gas mileage but we love the look and we want something powerful enough to tow the boat or ATV hauler on the weekends. This truck claims it can do that AND beat a Porsche off the traffic light AND never have to visit a fuel pump again.

&gt; As a truck guy who has owned a lot of trucks and currently owns a 2017 Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 and a Land Rover Defender 110, I&#x27;m telling you right now: this is going to kill it.We&#x27;ll see.If it does kill, the looks won&#x27;t be a problem, they&#x27;ll be an asset - a more extreme version of the Prius.But if it doesn&#x27;t, a lot of people will blame the look.

Re: Hummer H2 and H2 Truck, except it has an option with 2.9s 0-60!!¡ It will be a staple.

&gt;In other words you overbought and don&#x27;t use the diesel or the 3&#x2F;4 ton frame?I think you just described 80% of truck owners.

The trimotor version claims to tow 14000+. A 2019 Ram 2500 tops out at around 19K, but my 2017 is a little less. The 2019 F150 tows about 11K.This truck is no Dodge Dakota. This sits between a half-ton and 3&#x2F;4-ton truck.

The vast majority of SUVs and trucks are bought to signal some sort of status or affiliation to a group. Just look at how clean these vehicles are. And some of the brands. Porsche SUV. Mercedes pickup.The people who actual use these class of vehicles for real have mud splashed over the vehicle and extra cans of petrol. They aren’t going to buy an unproven vehicle that you can’t refuel.They’ll probably make a killing with the Cybertruck.

So you&#x27;re going to downgrade from a 3&#x2F;4 ton frame to something that falls between a dodge dakota and ram 1500...In other words you overbought and don&#x27;t use the diesel or the 3&#x2F;4 ton frame? Because this is definitely NOT a replacement for that.

As someone looking at a Tacoma TRD Pro or Ram Power Wagon this thing just shattered my midsize vs 2500 internal debate.

$100 initial deposit is to show wall St demand.  That will keep borrowing costs down.

Will they be able to survive until then with this though? Because I seriously doubt it.

Why would it have a high centre of gravity? Wouldn&#x27;t the battery pack be most of the mass and live right at the bottom?

By track you mean drag strip because mass and high C of G are going to make this thing difficult to corner&#x2F;handle.

Really weird if you read that post and that was your only take-away.

Love it or hate it seems to be the case here - not many fence sitters. Been reading TMC and FB Tesla Owners group the past hour and reactions are I’d estimate about 80% negative.

&gt; Your wife drives an Audi that can&#x27;t do better than 0-60 in 6.5 seconds?Not too surprising. According to [1], the A3 and A4 mostly have 0-60 times worse than 6.5s. You&#x27;ve got to get up to the recent A6&#x27;s to beat that.[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zeroto60times.com&#x2F;vehicle-make&#x2F;audi-0-60-mph-times&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zeroto60times.com&#x2F;vehicle-make&#x2F;audi-0-60-mph-tim...</a>

&gt;&gt;Your wife drives an Audi that can&#x27;t do better than 0-60 in 6.5 seconds?How is that surprising? Unless you go for the really expensive ones with top-spec engines, you&#x27;re normally looking at 7-8s to 60mph. As an example, the Q3 can be had with 6 different engines, and only the range-topping 45 TFSI breaks the 6.5s barrier at 6.3s to 60mph. All other engines are slower.A1 can be had with 3 different engines, and the fastest one does 0-60 in 7.7s.Really, the only Audi where &lt;6.5s to 60mph is &quot;standard&quot; is the A8, with the slowest engine being the 50 TDI that does 0-60 in 5.9s. The second model in line, the A7, starts with a 40TDI that does 0-60 in 8.3 seconds.

At 6000 pounds and a high CoG, this thing is going to handle worse than most ladder frame trucks. And that&#x27;s bad.It&#x27;s also going to have truly awful front and rear visibility. Long windshields are invariably difficult to live with, creating a hothouse interior on any day without clouds. Once you add appendages to make this legal (side mirrors, rear center brake and tail lights, headlights and turn signals) much of the bold charm of the original concept truck (which is all this is) will be lost.I agree the design is refreshingly bold. But lots of concept cars in the past initially took fans by storm only to fade into the mainstream by the time they shipped. I&#x27;ll be very impressed if a design this striking can maintain its visual impact all the way through production.

Your wife drives an Audi that can&#x27;t do better than 0-60 in 6.5 seconds?Also.. tracks have turns. Low center of gravity helps, but this thing will probably weigh 3-4x as much as a sporty car. Even the Model S has weight comparable to a minivan. My guess is a Subaru BRZ could beat this around many tracks.This is a cool truck and all, and I hope Tesla makes more exciting designs like this, but I&#x27;m tired of people thinking that Teslas are performance cars just because they have torque. Tesla has yet to make anything that interests me at the prices they charge.

I know several people with campers, horse trailers, car trailers, boats, etc. Most aren’t maxing out their towing capacity, but if you’re driving through any mountains, you’ll want to be well within those limits unless you want a white knuckle experience.

Its like asking if people in US really shoot to defend themselves that often?

I have a Silverado diesel truck which I inherited.  I don&#x27;t tow often, but I do use it a lot for landscaping work -- hauling mulch, brick, and lumber in and yard waste out to the recycling center.

Car companies don&#x27;t limit themselves to selling people a car based on what their life is like now, people have already got something that lets them do the things they currently do.They can market it based on what their life could be like if they brought the car. Perhaps in vague, emotional terms.You too could be kayaking&#x2F;mountain biking&#x2F;skiing through picturesque countryside with your pretty, athletic friends... if you buy a Brand X SUV. Be confident in any situation. Whatever, wherever, whenever. Adventure starts here. Built tough. Driven by dreams. Past the pavement. Built for city roads and no roads.

Do people in the rural&#x2F;suburban US really tow that much that often? Seeing the number of trucks just doesn’t make sense (especially given how few are towing anything). Is there a little measure of lifestyle signaling or macho involved in truck ownership, or towing capacity comparison?

They&#x27;re definitely a suburban status item in much of the West of the US.

&gt; Trucks are not suburban status items.Have you ever been to Texas?

&gt; suburban status itemsI have found the single stupidest thing in this thread.

&gt; This is the suburban status item of 2022.Yeah I don’t think so. Trucks are not suburban status items. This is more like the El Camino of 2022.

Only thing that is missing from this comment is a disclaimer about you holding TSLA stock.

500 miles is fairly substantial range. I can see this being useful for a very wide variety of use cases, but obviously not those longer-term multi-day excursions into the wilderness.That said, it is a truck, and maybe someone (perhaps even Tesla) will develop a modular LNG&#x2F;propane&#x2F;diesel generator unit you can put into the back of the truck for purposes of range extension. I realize this is inefficient, not environmentally friendly, and going in the opposite direction of what the electric car is supposed to do, but its also only applicable in those extreme edge cases where you need to be away from the grid for days or weeks.

Mad Max notwithstanding, you can only store gasoline less than a year, so it&#x27;s not like the alternative is really any less reliant on civilization.

isn&#x27;t the electric-grid dependency completely antithetical to the ownership of an off-road, off-civilization vehicle ?(also, honestly this design is a fugly tin can. Elon musk is generally going through a tin can phase (starship etc)). I wouldn&#x27;t bet on many sales for this, but it&#x27;s still interesting to see something so different

Oh boy, you aren&#x27;t going to make friends here. Upvoting you just to mitigate the damage.

It looks like something my son would have designed when he was 5.

Wow, really? I feel the completely opposite.I also consider myself a &quot;truck guy&quot;. In my entire life, I&#x27;ve owned a single car. I had it for about a year when I got up one morning, drove to the dealership, bought a new Dodge (basically the same as yours, except 1500), and told the girlfriend she could have the car (hers had seen better days).I would not be caught dead in one of these.(Disclaimer: I&#x27;m a Harley riding country boy from the midwest, probably not Tesla&#x27;s major demographic anyways!)

Also a truck guy here, and totally concur. I reserved mine within 30 seconds of seeing the site.

For the one lap until it overheats, or until this pig needs to hit an apex.

I am not sure if this will become a status symbol, but I 100% agree that that is the market it is going for.I know three people who own a pickup (one in commercial construction, one who is a big animal vet, and one who has a horse farm). This does not appear to be designed for those people at all.However, I think it could appeal to the same people who wanted a hummer. Driving it is just overtly confrontational. It will be fascinating to see whether there is a market for exactly this though, because Tesla is supposed to be environmentally friendly, and the people who bought hummers clearly didn&#x27;t care about that (at the time, at least).

The G-Wagon is a very high end luxury SUV with a huge profit margin. As such, MB can afford to sell only a handful. But at the advertised price, the Cybertruck offers no such margin. It&#x27;ll surely will be a money-loser for Tesla which they&#x27;ll have to sell like F150s for a decade just to break even.The Cybertruck isn&#x27;t about profit. It&#x27;s about making Tesla&#x27;s name synonymous with shock and awe.

Its going to sell well, like every Tesla. I suspect that it won&#x27;t sell well to people who buy trucks for their actual utility, but you&#x27;re right that this thing will totally be a status symbol; just not among people who would utilize its capabilities.Just look at the success of the G-Wagon among white LA uurbanite-types. No one cares about the utility. It just looks weird and gives off this vibe of &quot;I work! Trust me! Look at my utilitarian car!&quot; That&#x27;s who this will sell to, and it will sell well.

Is this satire or are rich car people really this insufferable?  This may be the best&#x2F;worst comment I&#x27;ve ever seen here.  The level of status projecting and suburban truck guy cringe is through the roof.

I agree and think this could possibly replace many SUVs in suburban areas. 6 person seating is another great selling point for many, just look at all of the third row vehicles like the Honda Pilot. The base price of the Cybertruck is similar to a Pilot. Which would you rather drive?

As a truck guy who has owned a lot of trucks and currently owns a 2017 Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 and a Land Rover Defender 110, I&#x27;m telling you right now: this is going to kill it. This is the suburban status item of 2022.I want to buy this right now. This has nearly the towing capacity of my Ram and will smoke my wife&#x27;s Audi on the track.

As an automotive engineer my mind is unable to process this as real.Are they being serious?Very very risky move on styling

I&#x27;m impressed, honestly, I want one. I imagine this is going to become a cool collectors item some day. I never want to be seen driving it though.

To be honest, I reckon the fact that he’s a terrible presenter adds a certain level of charm.

I wonder if they cut the presentation a little short because of the glass issue . Then again, Musk isn&#x27;t exactly the greatest presenter so I don&#x27;t think he could play off someone talking in his ear to cut it short.

It somehow looks way, way better in normal use than during the presentation. How weird, it&#x27;s usually the other way round.

Skip to around 15 minutes in unless you like watching terrible smartphone footage of a bunch of people standing around waiting for the truck to turn up.

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See people getting a ride in it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BTDztHFa0_Q" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BTDztHFa0_Q</a>

I think it looks pretty awesome. The ATV that charges in the back as the &quot;oh, and one more thing&quot; moment was also great. I can see this being very popular. There is something very masculine and forward looking about the design. The interior shots on the website are also impressive-- I wonder why they didn&#x27;t show that tonight in the demo (probably it&#x27;s just a rendering and the prototype version has a bare-bones interior). The glass breaking was tough to watch though-- I&#x27;m sure it threw him off during the rest of the presentation.

Not sure why I would buy a Model Y. I love this thing. It feels safer, carries 6 people and is a full utility. And all of that with gorgeously edgy styling. Can we please move this up before the Model Y Tesla?

Oh and now the order page can&#x27;t handle the traffic… Error 429 Too Many Requests

That&#x27;s from Varnish, a proxy server.

&quot;Order Now&quot; -&gt;Too Many RequestsGuru Meditation:XID: 2262329Props for an error page that tickled my nostalgia in a most geeky way.

It looks like it was designed in Minecraft.

It looks like Elon ordered a little too much stainless steel for his Starship fleet and wants to put it to a more earthly use.

I hadn’t thought about this looking like the Aztek of Warthogs, but you’re right.

This feels more like if Master Chief drove an Aztek

It kind of looks like a Pontiac Aztek to me—if the Aztek happened to exist in the 2019 of Blade Runner and not the 2001 of reality.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thrillist.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;the-pontiac-aztec-was-the-biggest-failure-in-automotive-history" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thrillist.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;the-pontiac-aztec-was-the-big...</a>

Sure, but the pedestrian will cut the window in half

It’s gonna cut any pedestrians it hits into half

Does it not being mainstream even matter, though? Because at least here in AU, and I believe in the EU, to even register it as roadworthy it needs to not compromise its collision protection which includes pedestrian collisions.

Ever seen a train pulled by a ford? I have. Built Ford Tough is TRUE

Not meant to be mainstream.  It&#x27;s meant to be f&#x27;ing tough and show how much of a beast the electric vehicle can be.   Really takes the air out of being &#x27;Built Ford Tough&#x27;   Likely just following the Roadster play book. Get the toughness doubters out of the way, then a more traditional truck to follow.

Tesla pedestrian collision warning is dangerously ineffective. It passes some tests with flying colors and completely fails other pedestrian safety tests.Plays into the inconsistent nature of autopilot.

As do a lot of other premium-brand cars, nothing special about it anymore.

Don&#x27;t Teslas have some sort of collision detection that will automatically apply brakes in case of an object in the road?And anyway, I&#x27;m not sure why an all metal grill would be worse than the grill guard (cow catcher) already present on a lot of trucks.

Sure, but a manufacturer couldn&#x27;t sell a car with a solid steel bumper. In the US you have lots of freedom to modify your car after you buy it, but manufacturers have strict regulations.

Not really. Many people in the south and more rural areas use large trucks as a daily driver. Many with custom front bumpers that are solid steel.

Tesla Model S and 3 in terms of collision safety are the safest cars ever sold in America. There is a giant crumple zone where the engine would be in an ICE vehicle. The Cybertruck will be the same.

That was my immediate thought. Granted, I&#x27;ve not watched the video as I&#x27;m at work so if it was covered then I&#x27;ve not seen it, but that thing looks like it has absolutely no crumple zones, and the lack of curved surfaces would cause horrific injury in a pedestrian collision.

I had to look this up because i figured you must be talking out of your ass, there had to be some pedestrian safety standards.but nope, apparently not. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usa.streetsblog.org&#x2F;2017&#x2F;12&#x2F;07&#x2F;while-other-countries-mandate-safer-car-designs-for-pedestrians-america-does-nothing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usa.streetsblog.org&#x2F;2017&#x2F;12&#x2F;07&#x2F;while-other-countries...</a>

So, is this basically illegal in other countries? Does that mean we should expect the Cybertruck to be US-only?

Don&#x27;t be ridiculous. The US has no pedestrian safety standards whatsoever. In a sane world, the NHTSA would have outlawed bull bars and required trucks to have sideguards.

Never going to pass, those sharp edges and corners would give negative EuroNCAP ratings.

I guess it’s a good thing that trucks like this aren’t really a thing in the EU.They exist, but I don’t know anyone who has ever owned or rented one. They’re hard to find, dealerships don’t tend to have them so you’d have to find a specialist importer I reckon.

Doubt they&#x27;re even going to try to introduce it on the EU market, there&#x27;s very little demand for pickup trucks here...

They would promote the Semi pickup instead.

I would love to see the frowns of the EU regulators when they wake up and see this.

&gt; Would Tesla create a second version of the truck for Europe?I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ve ever actually seen what Americans call a &#x27;truck&#x27; on a street in Europe.(Slight exaggeration, but not really.)

For it to be sold in Europe doesn&#x27;t it also have to comply with European laws? Would Tesla create a second version of the truck for Europe?

Turn all parking spaces into buildings and you can pretend you live in space, except without leaving Earth :).

&gt;&gt;Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards?Yes we do, get out of the way.Outside of major cities there are almost no pedestrians in the US, the only time people walk in the US is when our car&#x2F;truck is broken..and with Uber we do not even have to do that now... Technology is great :)

lol. hitting a pedestrian and killing them is essentially a traffic ticket in the US

&gt;Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards?I don&#x27;t know what it is like outside of the United States but here everyone has the common sense to know &quot;don&#x27;t walk in front of moving vehicles&quot; as you are taught as a child &quot;look both ways before crossing&quot; over and over and over.You can put all of safety features you want on a vehicle, but if they hit a pedestrian there is a VERY good chance they will die. That&#x27;s a lot of force and a little bit of rubber or plastic won&#x27;t make a lot of difference, I say this as someone that lost a very dear friend to a hit and run as a pedestrian and lost another friend this year that was stationary on her motorcycle and someone rear-ended her and killed her (effectively) instantly.

Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards? An all metal front grill must be horrible on any safety tests.I can only assume this is a joke and in a few hours Elon will do a &quot;one more thing&quot; before showing the real Tesla Pickup.This take on a pickup looks like some engineer accidentally left their Halo fan-art on the shared CAD file server.

I&#x27;m willing to bet this truck is going to outsell the Model 3 and Y combined. Tesla is getting even further and further from the restrictions of ICE vehicle design.

At the very end they brought out an ATV and put it in the bed.  With the exception that it looks pretty far out there the specs are certainly impressive.

Here you go <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SwvDOdBHYBw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SwvDOdBHYBw</a>

Lol it&#x27;s absurd to say the cheers didn&#x27;t feel genuine. The crowd was insanely hype about this.

Didn&#x27;t he start by saying the trucks in this category are number 1 sellers and to move everyone to sustainable energy, trucks need to go electric?

&gt; You couldn&#x27;t invent a more polar opposite of Steve Jobs than Elon Musk.Jobs would start off describing a common problem before unveiling the product which inevitably solves said problem. This often brought cheers that felt genuine.Musk simply shows something bizarre and talks about how they made it, never how it solves your problems (other than a desire for the latest tech). edit Regarding the transition to EV vehicles, that&#x27;s what Musk always says about new models, it&#x27;s not a new thing.

Agreed. I continue to want Tesla to wildly succeed. I don’t know anything about actual pickup trucks or why people buy them. Which is why I mainly commented on the presentation style.

Wanting to see him succeed or not aside, I find this far more intriguing and alluring. Apple keynote, especially recent ones, have become so cookiecutter and predictable. The surprise and strangeness factor is what makes Tesla events so irresistible. You truly feel like anything could happen, even the window breaking TWICE.

I had never watched him give a presentation before.I started at, &quot;This is terrible, this guy is crazy&quot;By about halfway through though it turned into, &quot;This guy is crazy, and I really hope he succeeds&quot;

Elon keeps screwing up his presentations, and people keep buying his products. He give me hope that a sleek presentation isn&#x27;t all that matters. That humanity still cares about content, not just the outward appearances.

in some orientation? most likely.  
but not flat, the bed is 6.5&#x27; long, so no 4x8s.

Can it haul a &quot;fifth wheel&quot; trailer?

&quot;The Cybertruck is 230.9 inches long and sports a 149.9-inch wheelbase with a 6.5-foot-long, 57-inch-wide bed out back.&quot; By comparison, an F-150 has 50.6&quot; between the wheelhouses.Here&#x27;s a picture of the bed, just before the ATV drives up to it. Note the wheelhouses don&#x27;t impinge upon the cargo bed at all.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;specials-images.forbesimg.com&#x2F;imageserve&#x2F;5dd768642c886a0007ecc0e8&#x2F;960x0.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;specials-images.forbesimg.com&#x2F;imageserve&#x2F;5dd768642c8...</a>

My question: Can it fit a sheet of plywood in the bed.

No, but I think a lot of people group Musk and Jobs together. It&#x27;s not that one is &quot;better&quot; than the other or anything like that, but rather they&#x27;re very different people.

I watched it, I cringed, I still put $100 down on a top-end model, hoping I&#x27;ll have the cash when it arrives 2+ years hence.Thing is: though the glass demo failed, we still know this guy comes thru with great stuff - he&#x27;ll get that problem fixed, and we&#x27;ll have videos soon of someone literally shooting up the truck with practically no damage (glass included). The man managed to get rockets to land &amp; reuse; fixing the glass will be resolved next week.I&#x27;m not sure if I&#x27;m thrilled or dismayed by the exterior design, but it&#x27;s innovative and futuristic. It pushes the state of the industry forward.

Does the presentation really matter? 99% of people who will buy one of these were not watching. They&#x27;ll just see the pictures online later.

I&#x27;ve seen Elon say he spends about 1% (or something like it) of his time for marketing&#x2F;presentation preparation. And I think it included press-interviews&#x2F;presentation-prep&#x2F;etc.And he was planning&#x2F;hoping to reduce it even more.From what you say, it seems Elon achieved his goal regarding his time management goal.And I also remember some saying Apple engineers basically spent their time all year preparing for Jobs&#x27; next upcoming presentation. :)

And yet I think he’s the closest analogue to Steve Jobs. :)A passionate person in charge, who tries to make the things he wants to use.I wonder if the awkward persona isn’t intentional, i.e. to project a certain image, perhaps to appear less intimidating and more approachable, the guy you could nerd out about stuff with.

I have a feeling he is used to his staff accidentally shattering extremely expensive things at critical moments on camera by now.

Wholeheartedly agree. Musk doesn&#x27;t seem to give a shit about presentations. I won&#x27;t be surprised if he doesn&#x27;t even throw a fit at the window breakage fiasco. In Jobs world, that team would have been fired by now.Musk is a tinkerer and it shows in all the aspects that you have outlined.Regarding the interior - some 3-4 guys stepped out of the truck implying it must be quite spacious. An ATV could fit in the bed. So this truck is most likely going to sell. Pricing is spot on.

He&#x27;s not a native English speaker and that has an impact.

That either-or choice isn&#x27;t fair. I&#x27;d guess it&#x27;s a third - his mind races ahead (or off to the side, or the clouds) when he&#x27;s doing presentations.Many people have poor presenting skills. Just few of them get to be CEO and still insist on being the public face of the company

I think he&#x27;s just nervous like your average spaz out nerd is

In the end of this video <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=cIQ36Kt7UVg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=cIQ36Kt7UVg</a> he is more relaxed that I have ever seen. I don&#x27;t think there is any acting in his presentations

Can someone that has actually worked closely with Musk confirm: is his thought process and speech as utterly disjointed as happens in most of his presentations?Or, is this a nutty professor kinda of shtick that Elon thinks makes him seem more personable?His presentations are painful to watch.

There&#x27;s something charming about it - even though it has the performance and characteristics of a cheesy off-strip magic show on talent show night

I think there&#x27;s a bit of an endearing &quot;Oh elon&quot; quality to his demeanor that seems more authentic than a polished CEO.

&gt; But for an Elon presentation, this is pretty normal (high awkwardness).Give me the high-functioning aspie CEO who puts all their energy into realizing a brilliant vision, and has none left over to game their audience with &#x27;charisma&#x27; (e.g., Adam Neumann). Not sure that Steve Jobs was much of a normie either - though possibly his meditation practice had some effect to his conduct.

I replied to someone else with a very similar response, but I always thought the awkwardness of Elon giving presentations adds a certain level of sincerity. However, I do agree that some more specifics regarding interior, the bed, etc would have been nice.Signed, not a Tesla owner :(

You couldn&#x27;t invent a more polar opposite of Steve Jobs than Elon Musk.VERY disorganized presenting. Badly rehearsed. Awkward speech. Speech is almost never in sync with slides. Demos failed spectacularly. The rest of the event was him with a backdrop of two broken windows.They didn&#x27;t show the interior, and barely talked about the bed. Is this even good as a pickup truck? Is there enough storage?This all seemed hastily put together (probably as a response to the other pickup truck press). But for an Elon presentation, this is pretty normal (high awkwardness).Signed, Model 3 Driver (who loves his car).

More mass = less acceleration when the same force is applied, and acceleration is what really kills you. You can&#x27;t argue with physics.

I think a perception of additional personal safety is definitely a reason people like SUVs.But you can be super safe while still helping protect your crash partners. You can often improve both your and your crash partner&#x27;s safety with more crumple zones.I don&#x27;t think the patrons of this thing are going to be thinking about this much.

It&#x27;s more than a belief... the statistics bear it out.
&quot;The lowest 2015 death rate by vehicle type is for very large SUVs: 13 deaths per million registered vehicles. The highest is for mini cars: 64 deaths per million registered vehicles.&quot;
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.edmunds.com&#x2F;car-safety&#x2F;are-smaller-cars-as-safe-as-large-cars.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.edmunds.com&#x2F;car-safety&#x2F;are-smaller-cars-as-safe-...</a>

That&#x27;s a pretty common reason people cite for buying big SUVs. A belief that being the bigger car in an accident makes you safer.

Given the sledgehammer test, at least from the side that thing will be very aggressive in a crash. As in, if it runs into you, or if you run into it you will be more injured and&#x2F;or dead. You generally want a little give on the road in both directions.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Crash_incompatibility" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Crash_incompatibility</a>Looks sweet though.

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