Atlassian&#x27;s blog post on it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.atlassian.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;01&#x2F;atlassian-plus-trello&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.atlassian.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;01&#x2F;atlassian-plus-trello&#x2F;</a>

I second this. Using both systems but for very different use cases. Interested in seeing how this plays out.

I&#x27;d say the user base is as or more important than the product, from Atlassians POV. If they are able to convert a few hundred thousand JIRA accounts from this, they could turn Trello off and it&#x27;d be a win.

I think it&#x27;s likely that people who use Trello appreciate the simplicity and Atlassian aren&#x27;t exactly known for creating simple software (speaking as a past Jira user&#x2F;admin).I had the same feeling of &quot;oh well, what else can I use in the future&quot; when I read this post.

Yes – Just like Bitbucket Issues didn&#x27;t marry JIRA. One core difference between Trello and JIRA Agile is, in Trello you can&#x27;t hide tickets that you don&#x27;t want right now in the sprint – In JIRA Agile, you only put a few issues in the sprint so the board looks clean.Anyway. Not sure why some people want to move away from Trello now. Is it that they don&#x27;t want an identity connection between JIRA and Trello (SSO or similar)?

I am a big JIRA fan, but lately they have dumbed it down to be very much like Trello. So I hope this gives me old JIRA back, built-in. Currently I have the &quot;classic&quot; workflow as an export that I can import. I wonder if they will try to push Trello users to Atlassian hosted JIRA Software with the simple workflow, or if they will combine the two like they did with Bitbucket and Stash.

Not sure how JIRA will marry Trello.  They are different in their user base.  I use both but for very different cases.

Whilst not as well produced as Trello, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kanboard.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kanboard.net&#x2F;</a> is self hostable.

I&#x27;m optimistic in that there may finally be a self-hosted version of Trello.

It has been used extensively in our organization too, and our CTO is now searching replacements after the announcement.We&#x27;ve have been exposed to JIRA through external suppliers and that has been enough to make him on his edges now.Personally I don&#x27;t think much will change, at least in the first year or so until the contracts of the original developers lapse and they can move on to new things.

This saddens me, and I suspect the future Trello will be a much different animal from what it is today. It could be better, but my gut says not.

BitBucket is owned by Atlassian and a competitor (the biggest?) to Github in the enterprise.

JIRA + Bitbucket (and now + Trello) is a very effective competitor to Github among enterprise companies.  Github&#x27;s issue tracker sort of sucks and this hurts it tremendously -- I know as I live with that shitty issue tracker in an enterprise situation.

Is Trello really a competitor though? JIRA and Trello couldn&#x27;t be more different.I&#x27;d think Trello and Asana are much closer competitors. JIRA is like an over engineered spaceship with more features than anyone could learn in a lifetime. Comparatively Trello functions more like a Prius. Priuses and spaceships don&#x27;t compete.

why would they do that though?Trello covers a market that was not really served by any Atlassian products (or rather, market segments that weren&#x27;t well treated).Trello has a huge active following, and a lot of users who would otherwise not know Atlassian products.Getting any sort of proper cross-selling going on would be great for their ecosystem long-term. People might start at Trello, but go to Atlassian products as their team scales and need other coordination tools.I don&#x27;t think you spend $425 million to kill a &quot;competitor&quot;, especially when that competitor has a lot of paying customers anyways.

This is too bad, because Trello is much nicer than JIRA for everything I care about...

It makes sense mainly because Trello is a competitor to Atlassian and its best to kill it now before it takes too much market share.edit: Yes right now there might not be an exact competitor but in a few years it could easily match everything Jira does.

And don&#x27;t even get me started on SourceTree. Just about every release since 1.5.2 is a disaster, to the point of almost non-usable right now.

HipChat has become an abomination of a client across Windows and Mac.Ha, try using it in Linux!

Thats about all Atlassian is good at. HipChat has become an abomination of a client across Windows and Mac. Every new release is about fixing functionality they broke with the previous release and even then it still isn&#x27;t fixed.Logging in from multiple places has always been terrible. I&#x27;ll be logged in on Mac and available but randomly get emails as if I&#x27;m offline. I&#x27;ll be online on my phone and get e-mails. I wan&#x27;t emails of messages when I&#x27;m actually offline and not logged in but HipChat doesn&#x27;t seem to care and emails me anyways sometimes. The option to turn off email notifications isn&#x27;t very configurable either. Its off or on.Look at the release notes for windows and mac and search for reconnection. Just about every release has a fix for reconnecting going back to 2014.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hipchat.com&#x2F;release_notes&#x2F;mac" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hipchat.com&#x2F;release_notes&#x2F;mac</a>
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hipchat.com&#x2F;release_notes&#x2F;windows" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hipchat.com&#x2F;release_notes&#x2F;windows</a>

Atlassian provides a whole gamut of enterprise-geared software development tools, whereas GitHub has only just recently started actively pursuing enterprise accounts and providing the features they want.In addition, Atlassian&#x27;s services are spread out across many products, which can increase mobility. GitHub has only one product, so while they probably have many teams working on many features, there is still one product they can push releases to.

It makes sense for them to increase their overall ecosystem with Slack&#x27;s growth looming.

Atlassian is a bootstrapped enterprise software company. That alone should earn them a lot of respect.I think that Atlassian&#x27;s pace matches their customer&#x27;s wishes. I believe that Bitbucket is more or less on ice, functions as a free GitHub for private repos, and provides an outlet for Atlassian to try to convert people into enterprise clients, and I think this is their intention for Trello too.Enterprise clients do _not_ like rapid change, so I think that JIRA&#x2F;Atlassian is on track. In the last 3 years, JIRA has integrated GreenHopper as JIRA Agile, and I don&#x27;t know what&#x2F;if anything else they&#x27;ve done, but I don&#x27;t follow JIRA closely.

I find it amusing that someone thinks Github moves slow in comparison to Atlassian.I feel like about 30% of all Github features have been released since the last major point release of Jira and Confluence, which themselves were buggy, poorly tested, crud as well.How does Atlassian move &quot;fast&quot;? Has Atlassian done.... anything worth noting in the past 3 years?

This makes sense. Atlassian is good at making money from its services and it is increasing its overall ecosystem here.Github moves really slow in comparison. I guess Github is more focused, but there are a lot of contrasts between Github and Atlassian, and in terms of making money I think Atlassian is doing a lot better.Has Github acquired anything significant? Github should have acquired Zenhub (which is Trello integrated into Github for the most part) instead of slowing trying to recreate it -- although I guess Github has better code purity if they develop it themselves, but it means they move slower.

Wekan is really a copy of Trello, it&#x27;s awesome. Installing it through Sandstorm.io makes it very easy, but I don&#x27;t have production experience with Sandstorm.io.

I&#x27;ve heard wekan mentioned a lot (open source alternative).Here&#x27;s the migration docs: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wekan&#x2F;wekan&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Migrating-from-Trello" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wekan&#x2F;wekan&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Migrating-from-Trello</a>

I&#x27;ve been using the Github Project board functionality which looks a lot like Trello. I doubt there&#x27;s an integration where you&#x27;d be able to port one to the other though.

I&#x27;m a big fan of Clubhouse, and looks like someone wrote a tool to do exactly what you want: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;clubhouse.io&#x2F;developers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;clubhouse.io&#x2F;developers</a>

Taiga is alright, but I can&#x27;t say I fell in love with it either. Then again, I didn&#x27;t like Trello any better. Still ended up just using plain text files or spreadsheets.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taiga.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taiga.io&#x2F;</a> look pretty good the last time I did a research for this question.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?query=taiga.io&amp;sort=byPopularity&amp;prefix&amp;page=0&amp;dateRange=all&amp;type=story" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?query=taiga.io&amp;sort=byPopularity&amp;pre...</a>

Try Active Collab for this feature. I started using it for our company, few months ago, and never really looked back.

We&#x27;ve been using Meistertask and have liked it a lot so far.

Anyone know a good simple trello competitor that I can import my trello boards to really quick.

Atlassian doesn&#x27;t have a reputation for shutting down services they&#x27;ve acquired.

&gt;&gt; If you currently use Trello as either a free or paid user, you can rest assured that we will continue to offer Trello as a standalone service.They don&#x27;t say if it will stay free or not.

Gotta make up for all those freemium users.  Maybe it wasn&#x27;t so &quot;free&quot; after all...

Here&#x27;s one I ran into just an hour ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitbucket.org&#x2F;site&#x2F;master&#x2F;issues&#x2F;5814&#x2F;reify-pull-requests-by-making-them-a-ref" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitbucket.org&#x2F;site&#x2F;master&#x2F;issues&#x2F;5814&#x2F;reify-pull-req...</a>Not as old, only 5 years. Yet this is blocking my switch to a new CI server (GoCD) and makes building pull requests in general a pain.

That&#x27;s been my experience working with JIRA the past few months. Bug after bug and always a bug report with someone begging for a fix and being ignored.

What, you don&#x27;t like decade+ old highly useful and yet ignored issues?[0][1][0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jira.atlassian.com&#x2F;browse&#x2F;JRA-1369" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jira.atlassian.com&#x2F;browse&#x2F;JRA-1369</a>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jira.atlassian.com&#x2F;browse&#x2F;JRA-3821" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jira.atlassian.com&#x2F;browse&#x2F;JRA-3821</a>PS: Here&#x27;s a bonus issue that took 10 years to resolve (renaming users!): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jira.atlassian.com&#x2F;browse&#x2F;JRA-1549" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jira.atlassian.com&#x2F;browse&#x2F;JRA-1549</a>

The fact that Trello got a lot of users by promising it would always remain free, for example? If I&#x27;d been a user I&#x27;d be rather upset about this sell-out. Fog Creek made it look like some nice side-project that others too could benefit from without ever worrying about having to pay for the basic version at any point. Sure they didn&#x27;t owe anyone anything, but for me it confirms once again that no company can be trusted on their promises, ever. Now, of course we don&#x27;t know yet whether the free basic tier is going to change, but we do know that (unless it&#x27;s in the agreement) Fog Creek gave up control over their promise, which is prerequisite to keep it. Furthermore, I have the experience that few products survive an acquisition to keep the simple, successful formula they used to have.Edit: fixed unintended mistake in the company name

What&#x27;s wrong with it becoming a service you pay for? This is, in-fact, what you get when you entrust someone else&#x27;s Software As a Service with your data and workflows... You do not own it, they do and it is their right to charge for it just as it would be your right to charge for some service you developed and maintained that people found useful. It is also your right to move your workflows elsewhere or to a desktop &#x2F; laptop resident piece of software that&#x27;s not owned by anyone!Whining about a for-profit product no longer having a free-tier is odd to me. Either be fine paying for the service (nothing wrong with that) or pickup software that is free; I for instance personally use org-mode and Emacs heavily for all of my personal information management.I also do not understand the sentiment that every product acquired will slowly begin to suck; that happens for some products sure but the converse is also the case.To be fair to Atlassian, I used to hate Jira a lot but in recent years had to use it for work and it quickly grew on me; they are putting effort into improving their services &#x2F; products, modernizing their software development processes and technologies, and delivering updates to their software on a regular basis.If you&#x27;re going to contribute here, please be more constructive or detailed. Why not talk about your ideas for a project that is free that anybody could install on their servers that does what Trello does if you do not like that they may begin charging for Trello?

Probably not, no. JIRA, Confluence and Bitbucket all offer free tiers. Also, they&#x27;re really good products for the niche they fill.

Also wondering the something. IIRC, when Trello was launching, Joel said it will always be freely available.

So... it&#x27;s going to stop being free and start sucking?

Assuming a $50 million valuation at the time of investment, quick back of the napkin is 8x return right?

All depends on what valuation they got in at. Trello was pretty well on it&#x27;s way by July &#x27;14, so it&#x27;s possible the valuation was already pretty high. Even so, I bet it was a 3-5x multiple, at least.

&quot;In July 2014, Trello spins off from Fog Creek and becomes Trello, Inc. naming Fog Creek co-founder Michael Pryor as its CEO. The company raises $10.3 million in a Series A round of funding led by Spark Capital and Index Ventures.&quot;Spark Calital and Index Ventures must have gotten a nice huge return, Trello only raised $10 million.

That is true - a lot of software developers use a variety of tools so they can do more advanced things like track burn rates, project velocity, and such more quantitatively. Trello, on the other hand, is so easy that I&#x27;ve seen it used for everything from managing speaking arrangements to writing books. It has more of a mass appeal.

Yeah, that&#x27;s exactly what they say in the article. Their goal is to get to 100MM MAUs, which they can really only do by expanding to non-tech industries, and Trello is extremely popular amongst marketing and finance professionals.

Trello is hugely popular amongst software developers, but I think the point being made is that it&#x27;s also popular outside that niche. At work it came in through the back door being used for software planning, but quickly became the preferred tool for managing any sort of project. There&#x27;s a similar story with me showing it to my wife, who just finished managing her PhD in history with it.

I&#x27;m a data scientist and I&#x27;ve been using it as an informal Kanban board because JIRA is way too complicated-looking for me want to even try to learn. Trello is about as dead-simple as it can get. There&#x27;s already too much in my brain.

At least one high-profile project is using it:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com&#x2F;b&#x2F;gHooNW9I&#x2F;ue4-roadmap" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com&#x2F;b&#x2F;gHooNW9I&#x2F;ue4-roadmap</a>I know a lot of smaller dev teams use it for lowercase-a agile projects and I currently use it for all my personal projects. It&#x27;s basically the antithesis of heavyweight tools like Jira.

I worked for a game studio several years ago and we used Trello to report on what we worked on that day to our Programming Manager.

Please give us more info than that.What was your experience like?

Just to add my 2 cents, I&#x27;ve worked with a dev team that used Trello for project coordination.

I&#x27;m sure plenty of hipchat users (most?) aren&#x27;t dev teams either.

My company uses JIRA and Trello depending on the scope of the project.

I doubt they can. I work in public digitization from an it-architecture and programming background, and because municipaliies work closely together on a national plan I interact with quite a few teams.I&#x27;ve yet to see a project manager or anyone outside hardcore development get anything positive out of at Asian products.Their tools typically complicates everything to the point of slowing production by as much as 150% compared to projects where management is done with post it&#x27;s on a board and physical meetings... I know because we did the business case, which today means we&#x27;re actively avoiding companies that want to tunnel projects into things like JIRA.I get that atlassian produce excellent tools for tracking development time so companies can bill me more precisely. Unfortunately the side effect is that everything gets produced slower, more expensively and ends up confusing the shit out of our project managers.

Trello has apparently about 19 million users. And I would bet that the majority of them are not the typical target audience of Atlassian products (i.e. software development teams).So I wonder if they are mostly aquiring the user base here in order to expand their potential market?

Have a look at the history please. Trello came out of a company Joel created.

His company is Stack Overflow, not Trello, so he probably doesn&#x27;t have much to say.

Really eager to hear what Spolsky has to say about the acquisition (nothing yet either on his blog or on Twitter).

Agreed. Maybe the 2. ??? was &quot;How the heck did they go from unknown to a recognizable brand?&quot;

I think most of it is about the brand; about buying a name which is already imprinted in millions of minds. The technology alone is probably only worth 1-5% (?) of the price.

You forgot $20mm users and user loyalty that leads people to pay you just to have stickers on their todos.

Have you tried searching todo list in the app store? It is as competitive as the camera filter and keyboard apps.

How to get rich:1. Create an awesome ToDo list2. ???3. Profit

Fog Creek should still be the majority owner, no?

My sense is that Fog Creek is more of an incubator than a traditional software company now, albeit one which is incredibly selective about what they invest in. Stack Overflow and Trello are both independent companies which started out as side projects for Fog Creek, and I imagine GoMix will eventually go the same way.

Why would Fog Creek give away any ownership?

Fog Creek&#x27;s model tends to involve spinning off their runaway hits into separate companies. They&#x27;ve done this with StackOverflow and Trello. Trello has been an independent company since 2014. (Although I&#x27;m not sure what kind of ownership position Fog Creek had).

But a bunch of Fog Creek employees had ownership&#x2F;shares in Trello no?

Fog Creek and Trello are two separate companies that share cofounders (and an office here in NYC!) so we at Fog Creek are happy for Trello but it&#x27;s not an asset of ours.

Trello had super ambitious growth plans but didn&#x27;t have the leadership team in place to achieve them.  They built an incredibly valuable and wonderful product and Atlassian is an appropriate partner to take it to the next level.

Pryor and Spolsky have been running Fog Creek for sixteen years. That&#x27;s a log of &#x27;everyday at the office&#x27; to go without a big payday, particularly considering how much StackOverflow could have been sold for years ago.From a strategic standpoint, selling Trello is probably a more favorable way for Spolsky and Pryor to raise $360 million in cash than through venture capital. In hindsight it&#x27;s not implausible that the goal behind developing Trello was always to sell it off. Unlike StackOverflow, Trello has lots of competitors and it&#x27;s value in is in integrating with the rest of a project&#x27;s workflow. Essentially it&#x27;s a commodity.

Why did Fog Creek approved this acquisition? With products like Stack Overflow, Trello and GoMix I thought they want to become a big player on the market of software development. Why sell our own assets?

I wonder how much revenue was Trello generating? It seems it was 10MM middle of last year <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;alexkonrad&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;23&#x2F;trello-get-serious-about-big-businesses-as-it-passes-1-1-million-daily-users-and-triples-sales&#x2F;#7b75d1376ce2" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;alexkonrad&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;23&#x2F;trello-get...</a>

So I guess we&#x27;ll see JIRA rebranded as &quot;Trello Server&quot; and it will become impossible to search for any help on it?

Wekan.io is a pretty excellent open source alternative to Trello.

Never heard of it, but this actually looks as if it could replace Trello and Airtable, two products I really like, and then some. Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks so much for the mention, we&#x27;re glad you like it! For anyone looking for more info about Zenkit &amp; where we&#x27;re headed, see here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13022663" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13022663</a>

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zenkit.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zenkit.com</a> for example. Really like it so far (not trying to run from Trello, as I don&#x27;t use it much anyway)

If I remember correctly, the Pro React book has a tutorial for a Trello clone.

There are already lots of Trello clones:Restyaboard: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;restya.com&#x2F;board" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;restya.com&#x2F;board</a> (open source, self-hosted)Phabricator Projects <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.phacility.com&#x2F;phabricator&#x2F;projects&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.phacility.com&#x2F;phabricator&#x2F;projects&#x2F;</a> (open source, self-hosted, or paid hosting)Kanban: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kanboard.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kanboard.net&#x2F;</a> (open source, self-hosted, or paid hosting)Wekan: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wekan.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wekan.io&#x2F;</a> (open source, self-hosted)And no doubt, lots more not listed here...

Besides being a good one, it also didn&#x27;t sound like a terrible idea at first. Boards with cards is a suitable simple application for beginners (or people that are just learning a new environment&#x2F;language).Then I remembered my difficulty with finding a proper to-do app. Yes, it will have millions of people make a clone, but it will also have thousands publishing crappy versions.

I&#x27;ve used <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lavagna.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lavagna.io</a> for a while on my own servers, but recently I&#x27;ve started using and enjoying <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.favro.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.favro.com</a> whose free version has less limitations than the free Trello version.

Can we all start using Trello clones as the tutorial substance? So in case Atlassian screws it up, we have 100s of developers that know how to re-create it? :D

It never comes up in the same breath as GitHub and GitLab. The major differentiator for Bitbucket that&#x27;s the primary reason many people I know have Bitbucket accounts - that they offered free unlimited private repos when nobody else did - doesn&#x27;t differentiate them anymore.

Even prior to its acquisition. I seriously disliked finding projects on Bitbucket, the UX just seems to be wrong for how I want to interact with codebases and documentation. It&#x27;s only gotten worse since they were bought.

Who is shunning Bitbucket and why? Something happened that I missed?

Hipchat&#x27;s on premise version doesn&#x27;t work in an air gapped network with certain needed features (video chat is one). You do not want to know how much they ask per year for the on premise version (for greater than 10 users).

Why are Hipchat or Bitbucket shunned? Hipchat is a slimmer version of Slack but pretty much does the same things. Bitbucket is just a github with a Atlassian skin.

They are hardly shunned, just not preferred. Besides, I don&#x27;t think Atlassian is interested in competing for heavy users that don&#x27;t pay anything. They are pretty content with the enterprise IT market.

Some of Atlassian&#x27;s previous acquisitions have turned into products mostly shunned by the developer community (Hipchat, Bitbucket) - I hope they&#x27;ve learned what went wrong since then, but my gut says Atlassian isn&#x27;t very good at integrating external teams and supporting their products. Hopefully Trello won&#x27;t go down the same path.

That would be nice. JIRA Agile definitely could use a push to  get a better UI. It also doesn&#x27;t support real world bug tracking well.

I hope they can learn from Trello to improve JIRA Agile. JIRA seems much better for software projects with organised sprints and large numbers of tickets, but front end performance is terrible and the overall UX feels like it could be improved significantly.

wow! I had recently decided to go all in on Trello for my personal use and I was in the process of making a Trello-Gitlab powerup (just like Trello Github powerup).I wonder what the future of Trello is - both as a customer and as a software dev (I loved their remote work policy).

I feel the same, but I also think that the products and ecosystems are so different that there&#x27;s hope they might keep them separated.

Same here. I love Trello for its simplicity, and lack of simplicity is exactly why I avoid Atlassian services...

prepare for epic cards made of sub-cards and card tasks, all in the name of Agility of course.

They will JIRA-fy it or kill it. I use JIRA and pay for it, it is hell on earth for teams of 2-5. We looked into switching to trello to reduce overhead but... It cost more for less features. So we stayed with JIRA.They will kill trello so everyone is stuck with JIRA. Someone please make a trello clone with reasonable pricing, now!

&gt; Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place.And yet, Hipchat is a bloated, unreliable mess.

Trello is a JIRA competitor based on providing simplicity to task boards.Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. From their blog post on the subject <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.atlassian.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;01&#x2F;atlassian-plus-trello&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.atlassian.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;01&#x2F;atlassian-plus-trello&#x2F;</a> they seem to acknowledge thisI happen to use, and like, both products. JIRA at work (where I want a lot of the features) and Trello for personal&#x2F;small group projects and even family&#x2F;household stuff where I just need _simple_

This is also my experience. I like JIRAs search, and writing experience better. And the integration with Github &amp; Bitbucket is lovely also.

Fogbugz (also created by Fog Creek) is actually a pretty good alternative to JIRA.

Yeah, I agree. I&#x27;ve worked with many alternatives but JIRA shines compared to the competition, especially at managing agile workflows.

I agree, we abandoned Trello because of how poorly it handled a team of mixed users. It seemed like all the solutions for our problems had to come from browser plugins, which is just a bad proposition when you need a mix of users of various technical capability.

&gt; Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.If anyone here has ever been confused by the expression &quot;damning with faint praise&quot;, I hope this is an illustrative example.

To be fair, the two-pizza team stuff is generally speaking quite a good guideline.If you have more than 5-10 people using each of your task boards, the problems may be more than any productivity tools can really fix.

As someone who frequently works on teams of 10 or less this is exactly what I&#x27;m worried about. Trello is a great tool for our needs. I&#x27;ve been in bigger orgs that used JIRA and understand why that made sense, but I&#x27;d resent having to use it on a small team.

I don&#x27;t disagree with this, but very small teams (or sometimes just myself) is exactly what I use Trello for. We use it at home for shared to-do lists, idea boards (way better than Pinterest for us), etc. I realize this doesn&#x27;t make them much money, but I hope they don&#x27;t ruin that use case because I haven&#x27;t found anything I like as well.

The road to JIRA is paved with other project management software.

My experience with Jira is that it depends very much on the managers and executive team who set it up and create the precedents on how to use it.Jira is so customizable and has so many features that it can be made into a sort of bureaucratic prison that&#x27;s actively counter-productive for everyone except higher-level managers who just use it to generate countless reports. In the worst case, Jira can be used to institutionalize mistrust in employees&#x2F;developers.On the other hand, a minimal setup with kanban boards can feel a lot like Trello integrated into a bug database, which can work and scale quite well.I will say that even a minimal installation of Jira can be overly complex for small teams of 2-5. This is where Trello can really shine.

&gt; I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.This my experience as well. What are people using that works so much better than JIRA?JIRA has problems, but it&#x27;s far better than any other project tracking&#x2F;management tool I&#x27;ve tried. Managing projects (especially ones with large or multiple teams) is impossible without tools like this, and I haven&#x27;t seen anything that makes the process painless.

trello can be used to any kind of project you have in mind, I have my reading list there for example which would be hard to replicate in jira. there are cases were you can use trello and jira for the same puporse and I agreed that in those cases jira wins

Funny how much opinions can differ. I&#x27;ve used them both professionally and I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.

&quot;If you currently use Trello as either a free or paid user, you can rest assured that we will continue to offer Trello as a standalone service.&quot;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.atlassian.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;01&#x2F;atlassian-plus-trello&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.atlassian.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;01&#x2F;atlassian-plus-trello&#x2F;</a>

JIRA is awful, although admittedly we were a small team when we were using it for a project, which apparently makes it not the best fit.  But I really like the other Atlassian products we use.  HipChat works well, it&#x27;s not quite as polished as Slack, but it does the job and it&#x27;s been a lot more stable the last few months than it once was.  Bitbucket is excellent.  We moved from Github to Bitbucket a few years ago and never looked back.

I&#x27;ve always thought that the &quot;white boards and post notes&quot; approach to agile work management is the ideal, it&#x27;s just difficult to achieve on the &#x27;mortal plane&#x27; with remote workers, bad handwriting, inability to query &#x2F; archive etc. With that in mind I really like Trello because it feels very close to a digital version of that ideal. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cardboardit.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cardboardit.com&#x2F;</a> is another product in that vein (I am unaffiliated with both products).

Like most software companies, Atlassian products are a mixed bag. I&#x27;ve been pretty happy with their FishEye + Crucible tools for source code search and code reviews.

It says &quot;Free, forever.&quot;Edit: I guess you mean these three blurbs? <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20160505012250&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com&#x2F;pricing" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20160505012250&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com...</a>

They used to have a blurb on their pricing page that said Trello will always have a free option. It&#x27;s curiously not there anymore:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com&#x2F;pricing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com&#x2F;pricing</a>

I&#x27;m a big fan of Trello but I dread using Atlassian products. I do not have a good feeling about this.Hopefully Atlassian can learn from what makes Trello so wonderful instead of JIRA-ifying it into oblivion.

Nothing but this here big steaming nine-figure pile of cash...

Stack was never owned by Fog Creek was it?  I thought the only relation was that they shared Joel as a co-founder.

They spin out each of their products (Stack Overflow, Trello) as separate corporations so Fog Creek didn&#x27;t own Trello.Edit: I guess the spinning-out doesn&#x27;t say anything about ownership (though the article does say Trello did a round of funding after the spin-out)

We&#x27;re definitely investing in Gomix and we&#x27;ll be revitalizing FogBugz this year, too — especially for folks who don&#x27;t find Jira a satisfying or delightful way to work.

There was a blog post very recently where they said they will double down on <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gomix.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gomix.com</a> now.

I work at fogcreek, and fogbugz is definitely not going anywhere :)

It is kind of a shame, I found the way the filters on Fogbugz to be a pretty interesting interface.

On a side note -- I don&#x27;t know if they still do it (I believe they do), but Fog Creek used to give out free Fogbugz cloud accounts (2 user limit) to startups and students.

So Fog Creek - makers of Fogbugz, which lost out bigtime to JIRA - have now sold Trello to Atlassian?  Is there nothing left of Fogbugz?

Try Active Collab. It does wonders for my team.

have used Github issues and Gitlab with success as Trello alternatives.

Oki-doki, time to move.Does anyone know or, better yet, use any good self-hosted Trello alternatives?

I&#x27;ve said it before and I&#x27;ve say it again: as a community we are not only poor at evaluating startup ideas but shockingly bad at appreciating actual business successes. You know the saying that hindsight is 20&#x2F;20? Does not apply.

Not quite the same right? FB is way more than a message board. And even back then when they were just a MB, they had millions of users in no-time.

&quot;I like Facebook, I use it often. $365B... for a message board. Yes, I use it. Yes, I think it is useful. Yes, I think this valuation is absolutely crazy.&quot;Not many todo lists have millions of users, including some that pay actual money for the service. Having looked at many project management tools, Trello has absolutely nailed certain aspects of the user experience that many of the others get wrong. Try pasting an image into a card, for example.It&#x27;s not a perfect tool, but if you tried to recreate it yourself, you&#x27;d probably start to realize why they netted $450M.

There&#x27;s a halo effect here. If Atlassian can drive powerful integrations with its current products then it can increase the value proposition for those products among Trello customers, driving sales for its own products. Not that there was anything to prevent them from making those integrations before, but now they can go to Trello customers directly and ask them, &quot;hey did you know you can create a Confluence meeting notes document, create a bunch of action items during the meeting, turn them all into Trello cards with the click of a button, and see the real time status of all of them straight from the Confluence document?&quot;

Not sure if I fully agree. The potential and momentum is there for Trello, they can very well grow their sales team and expand their product lines into multiple sectors with this acquisition.

I like Trello, I use it often.
$450M... for a todo list. Yes, I use it. Yes, I think is useful. Yes, I think this valuation is absolutely crazy.

I&#x27;m a big fan of Trello and Atlassian both. Personally speaking, if all they do is take away the crippling &quot;add on&quot; restrictions in Trello for solo users, this will be a huge win.

Oops, I was lazy... <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;Yf9Hz4J" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;Yf9Hz4J</a>

I can only imagine it went something like this... <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;Yf9Hz4J" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;Yf9Hz4J</a>

...and Microsoft tried, was spurned, and built Teams and is pushing Teams and Skype to attack Slack where it lives.

I don&#x27;t think anyone other than Facebook&#x2F;Microsoft&#x2F;Apple&#x2F;Google can afford Slack.

Just gave it a shot, and it seems pretty good. It does not have all the features, and scrolling is a but clunky, but one could always submit a PR, right? :)

We tested it out at my company, and for the most part, it worked pretty good. Very Trello-like, and overall just a simple &#x2F; easy to use Kanban board. Though, we did have problems &#x27;viewing&#x27; the details of a card. Depending on how much data was in the details, it could take around 5-8 seconds to load.

In the same vein, GitHub also has Projects now.

Github also added &quot;Projects&quot; (basically Trello with integration to your issues etc) in September 2016.<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-ann...</a>

Thanks for mentioning that. For more information on GitLab issue boards please see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.gitlab.com&#x2F;solutions&#x2F;issueboard&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.gitlab.com&#x2F;solutions&#x2F;issueboard&#x2F;</a>

Gitlab also recently made their issues-UI very Trelloish. And Gitlab is opensource too.

There&#x27;s an open source clone of Trello that you can self-host: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wekan.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wekan.io&#x2F;</a>

ZenHub is nice but it&#x27;s also overwhelming with information that&#x27;s not pertinent or contextual.

Congrats to Trello and Fog Creek Software!I&#x27;ve moved on to Zenhub instead of Trello, but it&#x27;s indeed a really nice product that can be used by many, and not just people in software development

So that&#x27;s all well and good as far as it goes. But e.g. I currently rely on integration between Trello and Discord, which is in competition with HipChat - is there a risk of them killing that off?

From <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.trello.com&#x2F;trello-atlassian" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.trello.com&#x2F;trello-atlassian</a>&gt;&gt; We will continue operating as a standalone service, and we will continue to integrate deeply with all of the tools available out there that help people collaborate (and you can look forward to some great integrations with HipChat, Confluence and JIRA).

my experience with Atlassian products tells me that this will likely become a &quot;third project type&quot; to JIRA: Scrum, Kanban, Trello (or whatever generalized name is given). They feel like different products.Or Atlassian is using this to go after competitors like A-Ha! which it doesn&#x27;t currently serve (i.e. non software development projects)

Why do you say that? They just sold Trello for half a billion and still have Stack Overflow. I&#x27;m sure Fogbugz is profitable although it&#x27;s not anything stellar and it looks like they have a new product

Trello was spun off as its own company in 2014. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joelonsoftware.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;24&#x2F;trello-inc&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joelonsoftware.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;24&#x2F;trello-inc&#x2F;</a>

Trello is one of the best SaaS I&#x27;ve used.Atlassian used to be loved before prior to its IPO.I&#x27;m not too happy with Atlassian acquiring Trello. How much of Fog Creek will still be part of Trello?

Looks like you can export any board as JSON by going to Board Menu &gt; More &gt; Print and Export (from <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.trello.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;747-exporting-data-from-trello-1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.trello.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;747-exporting-data-from-trell...</a>).There&#x27;s also a Chrome extension to export a board to a spreadsheet: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrome.google.com&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;detail&#x2F;export-for-trello&#x2F;nhdelomnagopgaealggpgojkhcafhnin?hl=en-US" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrome.google.com&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;detail&#x2F;export-for-trello&#x2F;...</a>.

Just to prepare:  Does anyone have a way of exporting Trello data?

Oh god... Let&#x27;s hope they don&#x27;t spoil it. I just made a paid subscription...

I just looked at my emails and actually my message was not exactly accurate. I received the refusal from the CEO and this email contained the following phrase:&gt; sometimes we have to make very painful choices and pass over some extraordinarily promising candidates.Then I asked for feedback and the next reply from the recruiting team quoted this phrase.They didn&#x27;t give me any feedbacks for legal reasons (?).

Not related at all but I interviewed for Trello in 2016, the meeting was super cool (video call in the browser, nice RH girl apparently very excited about my profile), the job was full remote, they needed help to move from Backbone to React and they have millions of users (!) so I was quite hyped. Then I received an email of refusal from another guy containing only a quote from the CEO. I asked for feedback (probably my spoken english was not good enough but I wanted a confirmation) and the guy replied me that he couldn&#x27;t say anything for legal reasons... and the same quote from the CEO. Cold shower experience.About the topic: we used JIRA in my last job and it was not that bad. Curious to see what they are going to do with Trello.

Also, I&#x27;m pretty sure that investment wasn&#x27;t for 100% ownership, so it&#x27;s not like that $10 million turned into $400 million. The return would have to be proportional to ownership percentage.

$10M in funding implies a valuation of $50-100M, which means a 4-8x return not a 40x return.

Trello, however, is designed for integrations. There are a ton of 3rd party integrations into Trello (some using the API, some Trello blessed that show up in the add ons list).I suspect Atlassian could easily create some Jira&#x2F;Botbucket addons that would make Jira a very useful choice for some Trello users for a more structured backend.

&gt;It will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well.Will it? i use both Bitbucket and Jira at work, and i&#x27;m constantly finding myself wondering how two products from the same org can work so poorly together. They use their products to market their other products, but as far as actually integrating things into a seamless experience it doesn&#x27;t seem like that&#x27;s atlassian&#x27;s strength.In many ways that will be a good thing though, trello will likely remain trello instead of becoming something else to fit atlassian&#x27;s ecosystem.

&gt; 1. Trello was smart in only taking $10M in VC fundingTrello wasn&#x27;t &quot;smart&quot; for only taking $10M in funding (and only in one, late, round, which means it only gave away probably 20-30% equity.)Trello happened to be spun off from an established company, which took care of financing initial product development and growth. This is equivalent to the founders financing maybe a $1.5M round and a $4M round from their own pocket.Don&#x27;t try to beat Trello&#x27;s benchmark in funding strategy, unless you happen to be able to finance the first few rounds from your own pocket.&gt; 2. Atlassian now has a product that [.] will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well.Atlassian would be wise to keep this integration from being too tight. Trello shines as the most general project management tool out there (except maybe a spreadsheet, although that is the one thing I can&#x27;t bear to do with a spreadsheet), and if it became a developer-centric collaboration tool I for one would probably stop using it, even for collaboration among developers.

This is a great acquistion for both parties.1. Trello was smart in only taking $10M in VC funding [1]. This allows for a 40x return for it&#x27;s investors. If Trello were like many other startups, they probably would have taken too much VC money and got themselves in a situation where the VC wouldn&#x27;t sell unless it was $2B+.2. Atlassian now has a product that is loved by many developers and business people alike. It will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well.TLDR: Both Trello &amp; Atlassian were smart in this acquisition. Couldn&#x27;t be happier for them (and as a user).Edit: typos[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crunchbase.com&#x2F;organization&#x2F;trello#&#x2F;entity" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crunchbase.com&#x2F;organization&#x2F;trello#&#x2F;entity</a>

Atlassian follows MBA 101[1]: if you&#x27;re selling an elastic inferior product, you can always buy out the competition.[1] As portrayed on The Wire

If they kill the free tier, it will help our desktop card-based planner: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hyperplan.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hyperplan.com</a>
;0)

Time to cancel that gold subscription then.

Is this why there hasn&#x27;t been a stackoverflow podcast in a while?

Sounds like a move to capture the lower bound of the market. Right now, lots of teams leave Trello to something more robust like JIRA after crossing somewhere between 5-10 people, but with this, they&#x27;re on Atlassian from the beginning. I also think the JIRA team could use some UX help from Trello :P

If you are open to emacs, check out org mode. It&#x27;s awesome!<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;orgmode.org&#x2F;features.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;orgmode.org&#x2F;features.html</a>

Have you tried <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taskcade.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taskcade.com</a> ?

For me the best todolist would be like a tree where you would be able to divide tasks into sub tasks and see every thing in one screen.I haven&#x27;t been able to find such app so as for now I&#x27;m stuck with pen and paper

I am really glad I never started using Trello for my task organization. It lacked the basic act of marking tasks as Done. I needed to manually drag the done tasks to a &#x27;Done&#x27; board.On that note, my hunt for good task organization app led me to Todoist! It&#x27;s awesome! It has great web and Android apps and great API which I intend to hack at some point to create an emacs interface for it.So glad that Todoist wasn&#x27;t bought by Atlassian. My biggest gripe with Atlassian is that it natively doesn&#x27;t support Markdown in Jira. It uses its funky own markup that&#x27;s really bad.

Microsoft Planner was released as a free add-on to Office 365 at the backend of last year, which seems to be a direct &quot;good enough&quot; competitor to Trello&#x27;s business &amp; enterprise plans. Wonder if that was a factor in the sale?

So, pardon my ignorance, but I wasn&#x27;t aware FogCreek spun it off into its own entity...But, what was the $10mil of VC money used for?Has Trello evolved since taking the money (features)?Over $300mil in cash for kanban cards? Nice exit.

Is there really anyone who things this is a good deal for us users?!

When I hear Atlassian, I hear Jira and we all &#x27;love&#x27; Jira. I don&#x27;t know, I see how this is good for Atlassian, not really how it is good for me.

Kinda makes me happy for trello&#x27;s founders. Have been using it as a reference site for HTML and CSS development. I really liked those buttons! :D I hope atlassin doesn&#x27;t make it bloated and shitty. Hope it stays good for the small teams as it has ever been!

It&#x27;s good point and a valid concern (Parse). But I think there is value there for both Atlassian and Trello. I don&#x27;t think this will be a bad thing for end user.

&gt; The people here who are concerned that the culture will change are ill informed and likely haven&#x27;t gone through an acquisition themselves.No, but many have been users of companies that ended their beatiful journey soon after being acquired.I&#x27;m cautiously optimistic that Atlassian don&#x27;t want to waste half-a-billion dollars.

I&#x27;ve gone through an acquisition and understand the fears, but I think Atlassian&#x27;s track record doesn&#x27;t warrant panicking in the way Oracle&#x27;s or Yahoo&#x27;s would.

Great acquisition for Atlassian and I&#x27;m super pumped for the Trello team. The people here who are concerned that the culture will change are ill informed and likely haven&#x27;t gone through an acquisition themselves. This makes perfect sense and look forward to seeing what&#x27;s next for both companies.

Open source alternatives are already out there. Wekan is one of the more popular ones. I&#x27;m not sure if it has all of the features of Trello as I haven&#x27;t used Trello extensively. 
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wekan&#x2F;wekan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;wekan&#x2F;wekan</a>

I think Atlassian is indeed acquiring Trello to fit it in with the rest of their suite. This is probably going to be done to the detriment of the other use cases.On the bright side, this might pave the way for a new product in this space, or some open-source tools which replicate the same basic funtionality.

&gt; As a recently public company Atlassian knows it&#x27;ll need to grow beyond developersWhy is that? Why does a company that is good at something NEED to expand beyond their area of expertise? Is is just me who sees this as American Capitalism™? Wouldn&#x27;t it be better to try to make their products excellent and attract the many developers who are not using their suite? Why the always constant push to grow at any cost?I&#x27;m saying this as someone who has been using Atlassian products for a while. They seem to focus on JIRA and Confluence only, and letting all the other products be 2nd or even 3rd class citizens. Why expand if you cannot keep the software that you already own up to date?

I completely agree with the sentiment, but my gut says this acquisition isn&#x27;t about Trello becoming a part of Atlassian but rather Atlassian trying to venture away from their set of dev tools.Why, you ask? As a recently public company Atlassian knows it&#x27;ll need to grow beyond developers if they want to continue growing at a healthy rate, and Trello offers that exactly. I believe that&#x27;s why they paid such a hefty price for it.It just wouldn&#x27;t make sense to throw away all those users...

I wonder what founders who have sold their companies for a significant amount end up doing in the days after.  It would be really interesting to know what&#x27;s going on in your head right now.

Thanks for an awesome product. How long was this acquisition on your Trello board?

I want to add to what Michael said above.In meeting with Michael, and discussing how we could work together, Michael could not be more clear that Trello&#x27;s success is predicated on is breadth and its appeal to many different use-cases.This is most clearly displayed in their inspiration page, that includes many, many use-cases:<pre><code> https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trello.com&#x2F;inspiration
</code></pre>
Keeping this strength alive will be key to Trello&#x27;s long-term success.Scott, CEO Atlassian

Thank you for the kind words.I promise you Atlassian understands why Trello is so successful. You described Trello&#x27;s core strength perfectly - and this one of the reasons they are committed to keeping it as a standalone service.(disclaimer: I&#x27;m the CEO of Trello)

This was put perfectly.  I didn&#x27;t realize that this was the reason I used Trello to organize much of my life until I read this.  I would find it a bit confusing if they started making this more developer exclusive since they already have their Jira software, which already fills that role.  I&#x27;m hesitantly optimistic that they see Trello for what it is.

Have you found that non-techy people are learning Markdown to use on trello?

Open letter to Atlassian:Trello are an amazing team and an amazing product, and what makes the product so amazing is how domain-agnostic it is. They refuse at all costs to add any feature that helps use Trello in one specific way over others (e.g. lists = stages in task lifetime, cards = tasks; lists = assigned people, cards = tasks; lists = dates, cards = events, ...), and that made Trello equally useful as a Kanban board, a CRM, or for a beer microbrewery tracking its different barrels and the stages of brewing they are at. The best thing about Trello is when you start organizing your board one way, then organically drift towards a more natural way to organize them, sometimes without noticing as you do. Trello is for processes that you&#x27;re not sure yet about the right way to manage.Atlassian is all about development team collaboration. Trello can be used for that, but not anymore than it can be used for brewing beer. Trello shines when you don&#x27;t know in advance how you will want to manage a project. If Trello became a dev collaboratin tool, I would stop using it for dev collaboration because there are better specialized solutions for that. Keep Trello general. Please.

Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M